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		<title>By: Chileno</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/ronradosh/2009/05/11/israel-and-iran-what-next/comment-page-1/#comment-3169</link>
		<dc:creator>Chileno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 14:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iran&#039;s desire to annihilate Israel is real, but it&#039;s not Iran&#039;s primary goal. It&#039;s merely a means to Iran&#039;s true goal: becoming the region&#039;s superpower. 

Iran spreads its influence throughout the Middle East: in Syria, in Lebanon (where Hezbollah has created a virtual state within a state), in Gaza, in Egypt (through the Muslim Brotherhood), and who knows where else. Through its allies, and through its championing of the Palestinian cause, Iran rallies the masses to its causes and hopes to destabilize &quot;moderate&quot; pro-US Arab governments that are not under its influence. It&#039;s questionable even if the Iranian government cares about the Palestinians, or whether it&#039;s using them to unite the Middle East under its direction, much like Nasser tried in the 1960&#039;s.

But if Iran aspires to become the regional superpower, it must first take on Israel, the current regional power. Israel is not out to challenge its neighbors. Rather, it uses its superior military strength to preserve a balance of power in which none of its neighbors can seriously challenge Israel. By taking out the region&#039;s strongest military presence, Iran would cement itself as the new regional hegemon, and have the added benefit of rallying millions in the Arab street. 

What would Iran gain as a regional power? Having controlling influence over a region with the world&#039;s greatest oil supplies would force the West to see Iran as a global player. Iran could negotiate with the West from a position of strength. What better way to preserve and advance the Islamic Revolution? It&#039;s also Iran&#039;s way of seeking revenge for all the times the West has trampled it, from occupying the country during WWII, to foisting and preserving the Shah on the nation for so many decades. 

What does this mean to Israel? If Iran became the regional power, it&#039;s own influence in the West would be greatly diminished. Though the West would likely continue to see Iran with disgust, it would nonetheless be forced to accommodate it, putting Israel&#039;s needs in second place. 

So there is a strong geopolitical calculation in Iran&#039;s rhetoric against Israel. Of course, this is on top of the inherent hate for the Jews that the current Iranian government has. The point is this: even if one were to (foolishly) discard the apocalyptic predictions of nuclear warheads falling on Tel Aviv it would still be in Israel&#039;s best interests to knock back Iran&#039;s ambitions.

This is why Israel must attack Iran. It must reassert its role as the region&#039;s most powerful nation, it must preserve the balance of power to its favor, and, of course, it must eliminate the very real existential threat of nuclear warheads raining down on its territories. If it doesn&#039;t, Israel will have sealed its own fate. This is not the kind of nation Israel has proved to be. Thus, I have no doubt the question is not if, but when Israel will act.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iran&#8217;s desire to annihilate Israel is real, but it&#8217;s not Iran&#8217;s primary goal. It&#8217;s merely a means to Iran&#8217;s true goal: becoming the region&#8217;s superpower. </p>
<p>Iran spreads its influence throughout the Middle East: in Syria, in Lebanon (where Hezbollah has created a virtual state within a state), in Gaza, in Egypt (through the Muslim Brotherhood), and who knows where else. Through its allies, and through its championing of the Palestinian cause, Iran rallies the masses to its causes and hopes to destabilize &#8220;moderate&#8221; pro-US Arab governments that are not under its influence. It&#8217;s questionable even if the Iranian government cares about the Palestinians, or whether it&#8217;s using them to unite the Middle East under its direction, much like Nasser tried in the 1960&#8217;s.</p>
<p>But if Iran aspires to become the regional superpower, it must first take on Israel, the current regional power. Israel is not out to challenge its neighbors. Rather, it uses its superior military strength to preserve a balance of power in which none of its neighbors can seriously challenge Israel. By taking out the region&#8217;s strongest military presence, Iran would cement itself as the new regional hegemon, and have the added benefit of rallying millions in the Arab street. </p>
<p>What would Iran gain as a regional power? Having controlling influence over a region with the world&#8217;s greatest oil supplies would force the West to see Iran as a global player. Iran could negotiate with the West from a position of strength. What better way to preserve and advance the Islamic Revolution? It&#8217;s also Iran&#8217;s way of seeking revenge for all the times the West has trampled it, from occupying the country during WWII, to foisting and preserving the Shah on the nation for so many decades. </p>
<p>What does this mean to Israel? If Iran became the regional power, it&#8217;s own influence in the West would be greatly diminished. Though the West would likely continue to see Iran with disgust, it would nonetheless be forced to accommodate it, putting Israel&#8217;s needs in second place. </p>
<p>So there is a strong geopolitical calculation in Iran&#8217;s rhetoric against Israel. Of course, this is on top of the inherent hate for the Jews that the current Iranian government has. The point is this: even if one were to (foolishly) discard the apocalyptic predictions of nuclear warheads falling on Tel Aviv it would still be in Israel&#8217;s best interests to knock back Iran&#8217;s ambitions.</p>
<p>This is why Israel must attack Iran. It must reassert its role as the region&#8217;s most powerful nation, it must preserve the balance of power to its favor, and, of course, it must eliminate the very real existential threat of nuclear warheads raining down on its territories. If it doesn&#8217;t, Israel will have sealed its own fate. This is not the kind of nation Israel has proved to be. Thus, I have no doubt the question is not if, but when Israel will act.</p>
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		<title>By: David P</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/ronradosh/2009/05/11/israel-and-iran-what-next/comment-page-1/#comment-3166</link>
		<dc:creator>David P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 03:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What might happen if &quot;normalized relations&quot; grow sour, as they typically do, especially among the 22 existing Arab nation-states?  During times of normalcy this Sunni dominant coterie treat their own with visceral contempt, lavish deceit and conspire against one another as a matter of natural selection.  The Arab League&#039;s been back channel begging Israel to prevent the Shiite Nuclear End Game regardless of the so called peace process.  It&#039;s all smoke and mirrors to exploit a crises, to &#039;never waste a good one&#039; is too cliche when you&#039;re serving up poison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What might happen if &#8220;normalized relations&#8221; grow sour, as they typically do, especially among the 22 existing Arab nation-states?  During times of normalcy this Sunni dominant coterie treat their own with visceral contempt, lavish deceit and conspire against one another as a matter of natural selection.  The Arab League&#8217;s been back channel begging Israel to prevent the Shiite Nuclear End Game regardless of the so called peace process.  It&#8217;s all smoke and mirrors to exploit a crises, to &#8216;never waste a good one&#8217; is too cliche when you&#8217;re serving up poison.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/ronradosh/2009/05/11/israel-and-iran-what-next/comment-page-1/#comment-3156</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 00:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#4 Fragmentarian-I did the same.Try playing stupid as to who Chomsky is ,and watch the tirage and idiocy.
As some have posted i dont see any organs of state with the Palestinians.Still see alot of hatred though.Youd think the Holocaust was a firm reminder.Some are too blinded to see properly on the Left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#4 Fragmentarian-I did the same.Try playing stupid as to who Chomsky is ,and watch the tirage and idiocy.<br />
As some have posted i dont see any organs of state with the Palestinians.Still see alot of hatred though.Youd think the Holocaust was a firm reminder.Some are too blinded to see properly on the Left.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 16:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To put the burden of making concessions for peace only on Israel seems quite bizarre, but that is what is being done here.
Throw Israel under the bus and we will have &quot;peace in our time&quot; for a very short time.

Feckless, Jimmy Carter midwifed the rise of militant Iran; what will Obami wan give birth to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To put the burden of making concessions for peace only on Israel seems quite bizarre, but that is what is being done here.<br />
Throw Israel under the bus and we will have &#8220;peace in our time&#8221; for a very short time.</p>
<p>Feckless, Jimmy Carter midwifed the rise of militant Iran; what will Obami wan give birth to.</p>
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		<title>By: Spindok</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spindok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 23:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes (5) Tom,

But Israel hardly needs lessons in fighting.  They have nothing but that- in ways you cannot imagine.  

So have Palestinians.  Do not mistake that for some sort of equilibrium in my mind.  I am as pro-Israel as you can get.  But I know that Israels principal enemies are fighters too and just as dedicated.  Reality begins there.  Then we proceed with how to deal with it.

Nobody wants perpetual war and ill concieved peace efforts only make the problem worse.  Like giving the wrong antibiotic for an infection.

Always the give and take.  Let us imagine that Netanyahu and Likud want to open a dialogue because they see an opening with some Fatah faction.  The hard liners whom they need to keep majority oppose this on idealogical grounds.  They take a line which allows the US to give them an out. 

So the US gives them that by saying &quot;either you do x or we withdraw support&quot;.  Now the pragmatists have what they need.  No Israeli politician would jeopardize US support which is essential to survival.

This game happens on many levels.  Only way to judge is by outcome.  

No.  I do not think this is the time for a major peace initiative. If the current US administration thinks it can do that they will sink upon the rocks as have so many others. 

It may be the time for a feint.  Yet in the long run hope is lost now for a strong enough Palestinain faction, maybe even an Israeli faction, to achieve a peaceful solution - always the ultimate goal.

Our president and his administation should not open a major front here.  Lose-lose situation.  Bad for everyone to see another lost cause.  Keep the quiet and strong support for Israel.  Let Hamas and the like drown in their own lost cause.  Keep up the pressure.  This is a waiting game, not a US election.

Spindok</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes (5) Tom,</p>
<p>But Israel hardly needs lessons in fighting.  They have nothing but that- in ways you cannot imagine.  </p>
<p>So have Palestinians.  Do not mistake that for some sort of equilibrium in my mind.  I am as pro-Israel as you can get.  But I know that Israels principal enemies are fighters too and just as dedicated.  Reality begins there.  Then we proceed with how to deal with it.</p>
<p>Nobody wants perpetual war and ill concieved peace efforts only make the problem worse.  Like giving the wrong antibiotic for an infection.</p>
<p>Always the give and take.  Let us imagine that Netanyahu and Likud want to open a dialogue because they see an opening with some Fatah faction.  The hard liners whom they need to keep majority oppose this on idealogical grounds.  They take a line which allows the US to give them an out. </p>
<p>So the US gives them that by saying &#8220;either you do x or we withdraw support&#8221;.  Now the pragmatists have what they need.  No Israeli politician would jeopardize US support which is essential to survival.</p>
<p>This game happens on many levels.  Only way to judge is by outcome.  </p>
<p>No.  I do not think this is the time for a major peace initiative. If the current US administration thinks it can do that they will sink upon the rocks as have so many others. </p>
<p>It may be the time for a feint.  Yet in the long run hope is lost now for a strong enough Palestinain faction, maybe even an Israeli faction, to achieve a peaceful solution &#8211; always the ultimate goal.</p>
<p>Our president and his administation should not open a major front here.  Lose-lose situation.  Bad for everyone to see another lost cause.  Keep the quiet and strong support for Israel.  Let Hamas and the like drown in their own lost cause.  Keep up the pressure.  This is a waiting game, not a US election.</p>
<p>Spindok</p>
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		<title>By: Zabibi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zabibi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 23:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>However long it takes, their is only one solution to the present crisis and it is the two-state solution. The majority of the Palestinians will now accept the occupied territories as the site for an independent state alongside that of Israel. But they are fractured people and they lack the leadership to move forward to independence. All the parties in the region will accept that position and they will resolve the refugee problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>However long it takes, their is only one solution to the present crisis and it is the two-state solution. The majority of the Palestinians will now accept the occupied territories as the site for an independent state alongside that of Israel. But they are fractured people and they lack the leadership to move forward to independence. All the parties in the region will accept that position and they will resolve the refugee problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Ellen K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ellen K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 22:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can add another I country to the mix-India. India is a nuclear power. And they have been fighting a border war with Pakistan for decades. If it looks like the insurgency in the Swat Valley starts to make moves towards Islamabad, I suspect that India will go to a heightened level as well. The best thing we could do is sit back and watch, because India has more at stake with the instability of Pakistan than we do. The smartest thing Israel could do right now is strike a mutual defense treaty with India. They are both US allies, and both are nuclear equipped. If the Obama Administration would get off their high horse and start reading the reports on the ground rather than press releases, maybe something could be accomplished behind the scenes. But this administration seems rife with wannabes and hasbeens all looking for the limelight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can add another I country to the mix-India. India is a nuclear power. And they have been fighting a border war with Pakistan for decades. If it looks like the insurgency in the Swat Valley starts to make moves towards Islamabad, I suspect that India will go to a heightened level as well. The best thing we could do is sit back and watch, because India has more at stake with the instability of Pakistan than we do. The smartest thing Israel could do right now is strike a mutual defense treaty with India. They are both US allies, and both are nuclear equipped. If the Obama Administration would get off their high horse and start reading the reports on the ground rather than press releases, maybe something could be accomplished behind the scenes. But this administration seems rife with wannabes and hasbeens all looking for the limelight.</p>
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		<title>By: oldfrt</title>
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		<dc:creator>oldfrt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 21:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I once thought that Israel would be the salvation of the middle east...proving that a democratic state with modern ideas could improve the lot of the common man.  Now, I dunno. There is no gainsaying that hundreds of thousands of Palestinians (people who lived in what was earlier called &quot;Palestine&quot;) were evicted from their hereditary homesteads, regardless of the spin that they &quot;voluntarily&quot; abandoned home and fields. They were not considered to be &quot;Jordanian arabs&quot; at the time. And this suppurating wound will never heal.  The mere existence of Israel will be decried by the Arab world until the end of time.

So: No peace plan will ever work. Israel must always be ready to defend itself. And I fear that there will be a bloodbath for all.  Perhaps we should consider alternatives which would bring the Israelis to the US to live and prosper in peace. I, for one, would welcome them with open arms. They are a brave and productive people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once thought that Israel would be the salvation of the middle east&#8230;proving that a democratic state with modern ideas could improve the lot of the common man.  Now, I dunno. There is no gainsaying that hundreds of thousands of Palestinians (people who lived in what was earlier called &#8220;Palestine&#8221;) were evicted from their hereditary homesteads, regardless of the spin that they &#8220;voluntarily&#8221; abandoned home and fields. They were not considered to be &#8220;Jordanian arabs&#8221; at the time. And this suppurating wound will never heal.  The mere existence of Israel will be decried by the Arab world until the end of time.</p>
<p>So: No peace plan will ever work. Israel must always be ready to defend itself. And I fear that there will be a bloodbath for all.  Perhaps we should consider alternatives which would bring the Israelis to the US to live and prosper in peace. I, for one, would welcome them with open arms. They are a brave and productive people.</p>
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		<title>By: a</title>
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		<dc:creator>a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 20:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too late. The time to defend Israel&#039;s right to exist was before the election of the current president.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too late. The time to defend Israel&#8217;s right to exist was before the election of the current president.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Norden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward Norden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 18:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s conceivable that sooner or later Israel will attack those Iranian sites it knows of. Will Obama ---as soon as he&#039;s informed---order American planes in Iraq and the Gulf to intercept? Will he already be threatening this when he meets Netanyahu next week?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s conceivable that sooner or later Israel will attack those Iranian sites it knows of. Will Obama &#8212;as soon as he&#8217;s informed&#8212;order American planes in Iraq and the Gulf to intercept? Will he already be threatening this when he meets Netanyahu next week?</p>
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