Comments on: It’s Up to Bibi

By: Professor Guvinoff

Professor Guvinoff — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 23:34:30 +0000

Now Netanyahu has spoken, and has drawn the red lines.
All this talk about peace is just smoke. Peace between two countries is a matter of mutual consent. There won’t be any change of mind of the arabs until they decide that peace with the jews is Allah’s will, after all.

This kind of epiphany is possible, but peace talks does not cut it. Islam needs to make peace with modernity before the palestians recognize the dignity of the jews.

Dramatic changes in Iraq, in Lebanon and perhaps even in old Persia are required first. All the US presidents who have presumed that this would happen under their watch as the result of some brilliant plan have been proven vain. Obama’s obsession with the settlements misses the mark by a million miles. He should work on helping the Ayatollah’s fall instead.

By: Lawrence Kohn

Lawrence Kohn — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 13:30:41 +0000

Netanyahu should spell out his red lines; Sharon’s withdrawal from Gaza should have made it clear that the Philidelphi corridor was to perpetually remain in Israeli hands (his intention); but he had the stroke and Olmert was able to give in to Condi Rice’s demands that Israeli troops pull out from the corridor leading to massive arming of Gaza.

David Thomson’s is correct about view of some that Israelis are the whites; truth be told, however, in the Middle East the Jews are the African Americans. Jews preceded the Arabs and none of the conquerers ever made Palestine a state except for the Jews. Jews lived continually in eretz Yisrael throughout the centuries and never lost title to the land. But the ruling Arab elites maintained Jews in dhimmi, subordinate status. Any change in that status was seen as a violation of what is proper as was the case in the American South re: blacks. Israel’s independence is akin to America’s reconstruction period where blacks begin to have power. The Klan was Hamas and Fatah. The effort to return Israel to 1949 armistice lines or to eliminate the Jewish state via warfare or demographic infiltration is like 1876 when the American troops leave the South. The moderate Arabs will be happy to have Jews return to dhimmi status; but ask the descendants of the dispossessed 800,000 Jews from Arab lands (who arrived in those areas up to a millenium before Islam was established) what it is like to live as dhimmis.

By: David Thomson

David Thomson — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:08:05 +0000

“Up to now, sadly, there is little evidence that Obama, Hillary Clinton and George Mitchell are doing this.”

All three of these naive people are existentially committed to the notion that the predominantly white Israelis are victimizing the darker skinned Palestinians. This is the consensus mindset of the Democratic Party and its “moderate” Republican allies. The very idea that the Pals should be legitimately upset by the settlements is utterly absurd. It is clearly the result of their anti-Semitism. They just don’t want Jews to live next door to them. And therefore—they will simply add to their demands in the future. The Palestinian leadership will never be satisfied until the Middle East is judenfrei.

By: Real Israeli

Real Israeli — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 10:58:00 +0000

With all due respect I’m not sure that’s how international relations work. Suppose Bibi agrees with whatever Obama wants with some condition or other. Why would that cause Obama and the world to start pressuring the arabs or doing something about Iran if they didn’t intend to do that from the start?

What do they care who seems like an “obstacle to peace” if they have a prior preceived interest to pressure Israel and judging by what happened in last 15 years they do.

I also nottice that the heaviest pressure on Israel was always in times when it was the most forthcoming and patient (like the big terorist atacks of 2001 and recent rocket rains)

Sorry about the funny English and speling