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		<title>By: Malinda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Malinda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 03:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>August 17th, 2008

I suddenly realized that the story originally aluded to was likely the Edwards story.

On another site it is being noted that if the story had been public when the Iowa vote was done that Edwards votes would have likely gone to Clinton.

No doubt Clinton&#039;s supporters are not happy with the late disclosure.</description>
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<p>I suddenly realized that the story originally aluded to was likely the Edwards story.</p>
<p>On another site it is being noted that if the story had been public when the Iowa vote was done that Edwards votes would have likely gone to Clinton.</p>
<p>No doubt Clinton&#8217;s supporters are not happy with the late disclosure.</p>
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		<title>By: Target Rich Environment &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Mainstream Media Pads John Edwards&#8217; Soft Landing In Reality?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Target Rich Environment &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Mainstream Media Pads John Edwards&#8217; Soft Landing In Reality?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 20:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that they didn&#8217;t know what to do with.  His post denies that it&#8217;s the Edwards rumor (link): Shocking Inside DC Scandal Rumor: A Media Ethics Dilemma So I was down in DC this past weekend [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that they didn&#8217;t know what to do with.  His post denies that it&#8217;s the Edwards rumor (link): Shocking Inside DC Scandal Rumor: A Media Ethics Dilemma So I was down in DC this past weekend [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Word on Streets</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Word on Streets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 14:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is not a case of journalism ethics naval gazing. 

The LA Times, which you gave a pass to in your post, has been actively suppressing the Edwards story. When it comes to Republicans though, the LA Times gleefully reported the McCain/Lobbyist alleged affair. 

The Edward&#039;s bastard child story came out last fall when Edwards was actively pursuing the Democrat nomination. 

The media treated it like a hot potato. 

Why would the media (print/cable/nightly news) focus on McCain&#039;s alleged affair and not Edwards? 

Hmmm. Lets think real hard about that one. 

Oh yeah.. lets chalk it up to journalist contemplating &#039;ethics&#039;. Yeah, right. Not even close.

If Edwards now is a &#039;private&#039; citizen and thus not able to be targeted by the media outing his &#039;private&#039; peccadillos -- then explain why the LA Times/NY Times/MSM reported with glee the Rush Limbaugh pill scandal -- sourced directly from the National Enquirer?

Rush Limbaugh never ran for president and never held public office but was treated to front page stories about his divorce and &#039;doctor shopping&#039;. I guess you forgot about that blatant example of media bias.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not a case of journalism ethics naval gazing. </p>
<p>The LA Times, which you gave a pass to in your post, has been actively suppressing the Edwards story. When it comes to Republicans though, the LA Times gleefully reported the McCain/Lobbyist alleged affair. </p>
<p>The Edward&#8217;s bastard child story came out last fall when Edwards was actively pursuing the Democrat nomination. </p>
<p>The media treated it like a hot potato. </p>
<p>Why would the media (print/cable/nightly news) focus on McCain&#8217;s alleged affair and not Edwards? </p>
<p>Hmmm. Lets think real hard about that one. </p>
<p>Oh yeah.. lets chalk it up to journalist contemplating &#8216;ethics&#8217;. Yeah, right. Not even close.</p>
<p>If Edwards now is a &#8216;private&#8217; citizen and thus not able to be targeted by the media outing his &#8216;private&#8217; peccadillos &#8212; then explain why the LA Times/NY Times/MSM reported with glee the Rush Limbaugh pill scandal &#8212; sourced directly from the National Enquirer?</p>
<p>Rush Limbaugh never ran for president and never held public office but was treated to front page stories about his divorce and &#8216;doctor shopping&#8217;. I guess you forgot about that blatant example of media bias.</p>
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		<title>By: John Edwards/Rielle Hunter Update! &#171; Dark Skies Blog</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/ronrosenbaum/2007/10/29/shocking_inside_dc_scandal_rum/comment-page-2/#comment-1361</link>
		<dc:creator>John Edwards/Rielle Hunter Update! &#171; Dark Skies Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of you might remember is that this story traces its roots back to blog post on October 29, 2007 by Ron Rosenbaum at Pajamas Media. Here is an excerpt&#8211;click link to read it all [emphasis added]&#8230; So I was down in DC [...]


&lt;em&gt;Thank you for giving me credit, but in all honesty, the post you link to was not inspired by a tip about the Edwards scandal (as I think I make explicit in a subsequent post), but was about a &lt;em&gt;different&lt;/em&gt; candidate&#039;s scandal problem.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of you might remember is that this story traces its roots back to blog post on October 29, 2007 by Ron Rosenbaum at Pajamas Media. Here is an excerpt&#8211;click link to read it all [emphasis added]&#8230; So I was down in DC [...]</p>
<p><em>Thank you for giving me credit, but in all honesty, the post you link to was not inspired by a tip about the Edwards scandal (as I think I make explicit in a subsequent post), but was about a </em><em>different</em> candidate&#8217;s scandal problem.</p>
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		<title>By: June</title>
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		<dc:creator>June</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 16:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is about Obama and Larry Sinclair isn&#039;t it?  Many things since last year seem to point to the truthfulness of Sinclair&#039;s allegations.  I guess he and Pastor James David Manning are holding a press conference in DC sometime at the end of this month to basically out Obama.  Should be interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is about Obama and Larry Sinclair isn&#8217;t it?  Many things since last year seem to point to the truthfulness of Sinclair&#8217;s allegations.  I guess he and Pastor James David Manning are holding a press conference in DC sometime at the end of this month to basically out Obama.  Should be interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: This Election Season Is Gonna Get Down and DIRTY &#171; Nice Deb</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/ronrosenbaum/2007/10/29/shocking_inside_dc_scandal_rum/comment-page-2/#comment-1115</link>
		<dc:creator>This Election Season Is Gonna Get Down and DIRTY &#171; Nice Deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 05:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] That big Washington sex scandal that the LA Times was sitting on, (if true) was assumed by most in the blogosphere to be about Hillary and Huma when it first hit the rumor mill last fall. I didn&#8217;t realize until now, that there were people at the time surmising that the rumor was about Obama. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] That big Washington sex scandal that the LA Times was sitting on, (if true) was assumed by most in the blogosphere to be about Hillary and Huma when it first hit the rumor mill last fall. I didn&#8217;t realize until now, that there were people at the time surmising that the rumor was about Obama. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Chet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 22:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, we will have to agree to disagree about whether you should have published the LAT &quot;sitting on it&quot; blog.  But, buddy, I am sooooooooooooooo grateful that there is one other person in this world who will call out Seinfeld for what he is not, what he did, and how much worse off we are because of it!!!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, we will have to agree to disagree about whether you should have published the LAT &#8220;sitting on it&#8221; blog.  But, buddy, I am sooooooooooooooo grateful that there is one other person in this world who will call out Seinfeld for what he is not, what he did, and how much worse off we are because of it!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Angelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 17:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll start off by saying that I am as disgusted as our gracious host is by the inside-the-beltway cliquishness that passes for most D.C. journalism these days. It is a morass of those only interested in their continued access to the corridors of power and precious little comes out of it that would keep a democracy functioning.

But as someone who used to be a journalist in Flyover Country, let me respond to some of the above commenters by saying you can&#039;t have it both ways.

Either you want a media that does its level best to vet its facts before it reports a story, or you want unfiltered access to all the information a reporter or editor &quot;knows.&quot;

And you can get into your tin-foil hat and cry &quot;MSM conspiracy&quot; to the whole internet, but guess what, the MSM is made up of flesh and blood people who have to make decisions when they go into work every day. And just like you, sometimes they make the right ones, and sometimes not. And when not, everybody knows about it, Google never lets that misstep fade from memory, and it&#039;s not like the pay (for a reporter) makes it all worth it.

One of the first lessons I learned as a cub reporter was that I was always going to know more about the story than I could possibly report. Sometimes, that was due to space and the cost of newsprint (back in the analog days), but more often it was a judgment call on how many sources confirmed the information and what their level of credibility was.

I would have knock-down-drag-out fights with my editor right up until deadline and the next day or the next week, removed from the heat of the story-chase, I could see the wisdom in his decisions. Because the people the MSM is writing about are flesh-and-blood too, and sometimes, like on the internet, it&#039;s easy to lose sight of that.

I love the internet for its transparency. But I am also in awe of its power to wreck real, human lives. This is the information age, and information is powerful currency. Maybe giving some thought to how we spend that currency is a good thing.

Sorry for the long post, but it&#039;s early here and the coffee is strong.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll start off by saying that I am as disgusted as our gracious host is by the inside-the-beltway cliquishness that passes for most D.C. journalism these days. It is a morass of those only interested in their continued access to the corridors of power and precious little comes out of it that would keep a democracy functioning.</p>
<p>But as someone who used to be a journalist in Flyover Country, let me respond to some of the above commenters by saying you can&#8217;t have it both ways.</p>
<p>Either you want a media that does its level best to vet its facts before it reports a story, or you want unfiltered access to all the information a reporter or editor &#8220;knows.&#8221;</p>
<p>And you can get into your tin-foil hat and cry &#8220;MSM conspiracy&#8221; to the whole internet, but guess what, the MSM is made up of flesh and blood people who have to make decisions when they go into work every day. And just like you, sometimes they make the right ones, and sometimes not. And when not, everybody knows about it, Google never lets that misstep fade from memory, and it&#8217;s not like the pay (for a reporter) makes it all worth it.</p>
<p>One of the first lessons I learned as a cub reporter was that I was always going to know more about the story than I could possibly report. Sometimes, that was due to space and the cost of newsprint (back in the analog days), but more often it was a judgment call on how many sources confirmed the information and what their level of credibility was.</p>
<p>I would have knock-down-drag-out fights with my editor right up until deadline and the next day or the next week, removed from the heat of the story-chase, I could see the wisdom in his decisions. Because the people the MSM is writing about are flesh-and-blood too, and sometimes, like on the internet, it&#8217;s easy to lose sight of that.</p>
<p>I love the internet for its transparency. But I am also in awe of its power to wreck real, human lives. This is the information age, and information is powerful currency. Maybe giving some thought to how we spend that currency is a good thing.</p>
<p>Sorry for the long post, but it&#8217;s early here and the coffee is strong.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 05:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You did contextualize the hell out of what you wrote.  And in a few places I found myself writing things that made me extremely uncomfortable.  And that may be where I wasn’t clear enough.  If anything, my piece was a plea against censorship of any kind.  Not for it.  For both moral and pragmatic reasons.  I don’t think it works.  I don’t think we can save Kerry from himself.  Nor should we try.  Or Roosevelt.  Or Kennedy. Issues of national security?  Of course.  Sheer human dignity?  I would hope so.  But it’s the we/they dichotomy that worries me most.   I worry about investing that kind of power in a few – any few. This time it’s the LAT making the decision for us.  Next time it could be Fox News.  Moreover, I fear if the LAT doesn’t write the story, too many people will get it, ultimately, from  . . . who knows where . . . or how reliable?

I wasn’t necessarily recommending you should have censored yourself because of how people reacted. But where I took issue with your original piece is that I thought you were trying to get us a little pregnant.  I was uneasy about what I perceived as going only half-way.

I believe there is a less of a distinction between the position you’re in and that of the LAT’s than you want to believe.  Not by a choice you made, but simply because “you know.”  That’s the power of the idea.  And especially, once you wrote your story.  You could have chosen not to.  But this just repeats my first comments.

Were you exercising sound restraint by not blurting out a rumor that you can’t know is true or false?  I think so.  But I’m uncomfortable with the LAT sitting on a story they believe is valid. Especially when the democratic process could be affected. I think we ought to let democracy rule.  Let the chips fall where they may.

Writing my first comment, I was reminded of the last time I saw All the President’s Men.  A new impression I had on this viewing was how often – and how easily - the story and the entire investigation might have been derailed.  It made me extremely nervous      how much teetered on decisions – being made by smart, reasonable people – that could have gone either way, based on sound, ethical thinking.  With the entire story, perhaps, hanging in the balance at each of these crossroads.   I get shivers thinking about the possibility.

&lt;strong&gt;Well, at the risk of repeating myself, the point is I &lt;em&gt;don&#039;t&lt;/em&gt; know. I only know that certain DC insiders think &lt;em&gt;they&lt;/em&gt; know the LAT has a story. I don&#039;t know that it does, or if the putative story is true. I wrote the post because it seemed to me that such unpublished rumored knowledge could well be affecting published coverage and it was worth pointing that out..


&lt;/strong&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You did contextualize the hell out of what you wrote.  And in a few places I found myself writing things that made me extremely uncomfortable.  And that may be where I wasn’t clear enough.  If anything, my piece was a plea against censorship of any kind.  Not for it.  For both moral and pragmatic reasons.  I don’t think it works.  I don’t think we can save Kerry from himself.  Nor should we try.  Or Roosevelt.  Or Kennedy. Issues of national security?  Of course.  Sheer human dignity?  I would hope so.  But it’s the we/they dichotomy that worries me most.   I worry about investing that kind of power in a few – any few. This time it’s the LAT making the decision for us.  Next time it could be Fox News.  Moreover, I fear if the LAT doesn’t write the story, too many people will get it, ultimately, from  . . . who knows where . . . or how reliable?</p>
<p>I wasn’t necessarily recommending you should have censored yourself because of how people reacted. But where I took issue with your original piece is that I thought you were trying to get us a little pregnant.  I was uneasy about what I perceived as going only half-way.</p>
<p>I believe there is a less of a distinction between the position you’re in and that of the LAT’s than you want to believe.  Not by a choice you made, but simply because “you know.”  That’s the power of the idea.  And especially, once you wrote your story.  You could have chosen not to.  But this just repeats my first comments.</p>
<p>Were you exercising sound restraint by not blurting out a rumor that you can’t know is true or false?  I think so.  But I’m uncomfortable with the LAT sitting on a story they believe is valid. Especially when the democratic process could be affected. I think we ought to let democracy rule.  Let the chips fall where they may.</p>
<p>Writing my first comment, I was reminded of the last time I saw All the President’s Men.  A new impression I had on this viewing was how often – and how easily &#8211; the story and the entire investigation might have been derailed.  It made me extremely nervous      how much teetered on decisions – being made by smart, reasonable people – that could have gone either way, based on sound, ethical thinking.  With the entire story, perhaps, hanging in the balance at each of these crossroads.   I get shivers thinking about the possibility.</p>
<p><strong>Well, at the risk of repeating myself, the point is I <em>don&#8217;t</em> know. I only know that certain DC insiders think <em>they</em> know the LAT has a story. I don&#8217;t know that it does, or if the putative story is true. I wrote the post because it seemed to me that such unpublished rumored knowledge could well be affecting published coverage and it was worth pointing that out..</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Straw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Straw</dc:creator>
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		<description>Ron,
I appreciate your thoughtful tone and your interest in the debate of what are the ethics in this case. I agree with Ed in the comments above, however, that merely participating in a public forum on such a...um...sexy topic is guaranteed to generate hits and publicity. For you. So even though you want a debate on journalistic ethics, which I believe, you have forced the issue one step higher in national consciousness - forcing LAT writers now to defend their position.

My thought to you is that if you really wanted to generate light rather than traffic, you could have - and still can - called and interviewed members of the MSM about their response and paper&#039;s position on this story. If everyone knows, as claims your source, you should have been able to get people to talk about why they are not writing about it. (Although I am aware that journalists hate to get interviewed about their own work, part of the hypocrisy of the machine, put so be it.)

So if this is a discussion, let us know what you are hearing from the field and how folks are responding to it.

Jack Straw

&lt;strong&gt;Appreciate your suggestion, but it seems to me there&#039;s a conflict in what you&#039;re saying: &quot;merely particpating&quot; i.e. writing about the subject is bad, but you want me to write more, intensively, devote all my writing and reporting time to it,  but somehow that wouldn&#039;t generate  publicity?  I&#039;ve followed an informal policy with the blog of writing what strikes me as interesting and may be of interest to others without calculating or being dictated to by what I think people will think. I have strong opinions I&#039;d like people to read but I don&#039;t think I do any posts merely for publicity. Read the blog, I think you&#039;ll find that to be true.&lt;/strong&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron,<br />
I appreciate your thoughtful tone and your interest in the debate of what are the ethics in this case. I agree with Ed in the comments above, however, that merely participating in a public forum on such a&#8230;um&#8230;sexy topic is guaranteed to generate hits and publicity. For you. So even though you want a debate on journalistic ethics, which I believe, you have forced the issue one step higher in national consciousness &#8211; forcing LAT writers now to defend their position.</p>
<p>My thought to you is that if you really wanted to generate light rather than traffic, you could have &#8211; and still can &#8211; called and interviewed members of the MSM about their response and paper&#8217;s position on this story. If everyone knows, as claims your source, you should have been able to get people to talk about why they are not writing about it. (Although I am aware that journalists hate to get interviewed about their own work, part of the hypocrisy of the machine, put so be it.)</p>
<p>So if this is a discussion, let us know what you are hearing from the field and how folks are responding to it.</p>
<p>Jack Straw</p>
<p><strong>Appreciate your suggestion, but it seems to me there&#8217;s a conflict in what you&#8217;re saying: &#8220;merely particpating&#8221; i.e. writing about the subject is bad, but you want me to write more, intensively, devote all my writing and reporting time to it,  but somehow that wouldn&#8217;t generate  publicity?  I&#8217;ve followed an informal policy with the blog of writing what strikes me as interesting and may be of interest to others without calculating or being dictated to by what I think people will think. I have strong opinions I&#8217;d like people to read but I don&#8217;t think I do any posts merely for publicity. Read the blog, I think you&#8217;ll find that to be true.</strong></p>
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