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		<title>By: The Barton Bulletin &#187; No Media Bias Here; CNN Reporter Berates Tea Partyers</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Barton Bulletin &#187; No Media Bias Here; CNN Reporter Berates Tea Partyers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] destruction was complete enough within four years that last month, Victor Davis Hanson wrote, “We have no media—at least as we once knew it:” Somewhere in late 2007, it disappeared entirely, and became something akin to the old Pravda, or [...]</description>
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		<title>By: No Media Bias Here; CNN Reporter Berates Tea Partyers &#171; The Barton Bulletin</title>
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		<dc:creator>No Media Bias Here; CNN Reporter Berates Tea Partyers &#171; The Barton Bulletin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 13:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] destruction was complete enough within four years that last month, Victor Davis Hanson wrote, “We have no media—at least as we once knew it:” Somewhere in late 2007, it disappeared entirely, and became something akin to the old Pravda, or [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ed Driscoll &#187; Legacy Media&#8217;s Seppuku Now Complete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Driscoll &#187; Legacy Media&#8217;s Seppuku Now Complete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 00:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] destruction was complete enough within four years that last month, Victor Davis Hanson wrote, &#8220;We have no media—at least as we once knew it:&#8221; Somewhere in late 2007, it disappeared entirely, and became something akin to the old Pravda, or [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Steynian 342 &#171; Free Canuckistan!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steynian 342 &#171; Free Canuckistan!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 20:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] trying times.; Time for a look at the &#8220;ugly&#8221; trends of our times: corruption of the press, university indoctrination, and Europeanization &#8230;. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 05:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ab123 (#111): You wrote, &quot;What I want to see is some sort of comprehensive study by an independent observer that demonstrates consistent “liberal bias” in major news organizations.&quot; 

You are a liberal, correct? Regarding liberal left bias in the mainstream media, have you considered that because of your political orientation, you may be blind to the bias to which we are referring? 
To turn this on its head, it is probably fair to state that business is a more conservative environment than much of the media. I would not expect most conservatives to feel ill-at-ease in such an environment, or even to notice whatever intellectual bias exists. Why? Because many conservatives feel at home there and share those values. 
Returning to the media, conservatives are awash in liberal-left news and information all day long, coming from the daily newspapers (NY Times, Chicago Tribune, etc.) and newsweekies (Time, Newsweek) and other periodicals (Men&#039;s Health magazine ran an endorsement of Obama; Men&#039;s Health!), and many network news programs (NBC, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, PBS). The sole exceptions are talk radio, one or two business publications and newspapers (WSJ, IBD), and Fox News; that&#039;s it. 

I am conservative, and I can tell within seconds whether I am watching a conservative outlet (of the ones listed) or reading a conservative publication, versus one of the vast numbers of liberal outlets - without reference to the channel or title! It&#039;s not that I am somehow special, it is simply that the editorial positions of liberal outlets are so reliably of the political left, that I recognize them immediately. They are nothing if not predictable. 

Since liberals are generally more likely to be found in the big city, and conservatives in the country, another way to imagine this is to go visit a small, conservative town sometime. As a liberal, you will probably immediately notice a contrast with your cultural values, just as someone from that town might feel &quot;out of water&quot; in a liberal big-city. 

Ok, enough of that line of thought. You want hard data on the liberal bias in the mainstream media? Go visit Brent Bozell&#039;s Media Research Center on the internet. The MRC has done a ton of very rigorous work collecting and analyzing the content of television shows, magazines and newspapers, and other media outlets. The proof you seek is there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ab123 (#111): You wrote, &#8220;What I want to see is some sort of comprehensive study by an independent observer that demonstrates consistent “liberal bias” in major news organizations.&#8221; </p>
<p>You are a liberal, correct? Regarding liberal left bias in the mainstream media, have you considered that because of your political orientation, you may be blind to the bias to which we are referring?<br />
To turn this on its head, it is probably fair to state that business is a more conservative environment than much of the media. I would not expect most conservatives to feel ill-at-ease in such an environment, or even to notice whatever intellectual bias exists. Why? Because many conservatives feel at home there and share those values.<br />
Returning to the media, conservatives are awash in liberal-left news and information all day long, coming from the daily newspapers (NY Times, Chicago Tribune, etc.) and newsweekies (Time, Newsweek) and other periodicals (Men&#8217;s Health magazine ran an endorsement of Obama; Men&#8217;s Health!), and many network news programs (NBC, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, PBS). The sole exceptions are talk radio, one or two business publications and newspapers (WSJ, IBD), and Fox News; that&#8217;s it. </p>
<p>I am conservative, and I can tell within seconds whether I am watching a conservative outlet (of the ones listed) or reading a conservative publication, versus one of the vast numbers of liberal outlets &#8211; without reference to the channel or title! It&#8217;s not that I am somehow special, it is simply that the editorial positions of liberal outlets are so reliably of the political left, that I recognize them immediately. They are nothing if not predictable. </p>
<p>Since liberals are generally more likely to be found in the big city, and conservatives in the country, another way to imagine this is to go visit a small, conservative town sometime. As a liberal, you will probably immediately notice a contrast with your cultural values, just as someone from that town might feel &#8220;out of water&#8221; in a liberal big-city. </p>
<p>Ok, enough of that line of thought. You want hard data on the liberal bias in the mainstream media? Go visit Brent Bozell&#8217;s Media Research Center on the internet. The MRC has done a ton of very rigorous work collecting and analyzing the content of television shows, magazines and newspapers, and other media outlets. The proof you seek is there.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 04:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AB123 (#121): You wrote, &quot;“it is widely known that the leftist bent is all pervasive in our education system.” Widely known does not mean true. Where is the proof, other than that the “expert” Dr. Hansen says it is? This seems like a doctrine of faith, rather than an exercise in critical thinking.&quot; 

I can verify Dr. Hanson&#039;s observations about the leftist orientation of our academic institutions, from the following perspective: I have taught in the public schools, and have been both an instructor and a recent student at the university level. The following observations are of course my own, but have been corroborated by others over the years. 

While there are exceptions, primary and secondary education as a career field tend to draw more liberals than conservatives. This would not in itself be a bad thing, except that our public education system has become more and more ideological over the past two to three decades. Teachers are now being allowed or even encouraged to take &quot;social justice&quot; positions by their administrators, by government policy, and by schools of education. In some schools, this took the form of advocating openly for Barack Obama in the last election cycle. In other schools, teachers (even in non-science subjects)are taking sides in the global warming debate. I have seen both happen with my own eyes. What do these positions have to do with teaching the &quot;3 R&#039;s&quot;? I have also heard of schools &quot;taking a position&quot; on things like gay marriage, with children as young as the primary grades. The reasons for this trend are arguable and many, but one possible reason is that education is a career field dominated by women, and therefore by &quot;compassionate&quot; values, and a nanny state mentality. 

At the university level, I am studying for a second Masters (my first was in biochemistry), in history. Perhaps I am engaging in hyperbole, but I have never been around so many post-modernists, radical leftists, Marxists, extreme feminists, and other species of the left, as I have been in this program. Not a single faculty member self-identifies as a conservative, not one - while many conspicuously mention their &quot;progressive&quot; credentials. I had one historian try to insert global warming propaganda into his course on American history! 
He planned to show &quot;An Inconvenient Truth&quot; but did not plan to show the opposing (conservative) point of view. Where I come from, that&#039;s not called scholarship but indoctrination. Another bit of evidence about political orientation lies in the textbooks chosen by the faculty; prominent among them were books by Eric Hobsbaum, the noted Marxist historian. No one to my knowledge presented the opposite point of view, there was no ideological balance at all. A last thread of evidence lies in the fact that whenever the Middle East came up, the faculty took pains to criticize Israel, but excused violence, terrorism, torture by the Arabic/Islamic world - or failed to mention it at all. 

The foregoing adds up to a leftist bias in the academy, public school as well as the university/college environment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AB123 (#121): You wrote, &#8220;“it is widely known that the leftist bent is all pervasive in our education system.” Widely known does not mean true. Where is the proof, other than that the “expert” Dr. Hansen says it is? This seems like a doctrine of faith, rather than an exercise in critical thinking.&#8221; </p>
<p>I can verify Dr. Hanson&#8217;s observations about the leftist orientation of our academic institutions, from the following perspective: I have taught in the public schools, and have been both an instructor and a recent student at the university level. The following observations are of course my own, but have been corroborated by others over the years. </p>
<p>While there are exceptions, primary and secondary education as a career field tend to draw more liberals than conservatives. This would not in itself be a bad thing, except that our public education system has become more and more ideological over the past two to three decades. Teachers are now being allowed or even encouraged to take &#8220;social justice&#8221; positions by their administrators, by government policy, and by schools of education. In some schools, this took the form of advocating openly for Barack Obama in the last election cycle. In other schools, teachers (even in non-science subjects)are taking sides in the global warming debate. I have seen both happen with my own eyes. What do these positions have to do with teaching the &#8220;3 R&#8217;s&#8221;? I have also heard of schools &#8220;taking a position&#8221; on things like gay marriage, with children as young as the primary grades. The reasons for this trend are arguable and many, but one possible reason is that education is a career field dominated by women, and therefore by &#8220;compassionate&#8221; values, and a nanny state mentality. </p>
<p>At the university level, I am studying for a second Masters (my first was in biochemistry), in history. Perhaps I am engaging in hyperbole, but I have never been around so many post-modernists, radical leftists, Marxists, extreme feminists, and other species of the left, as I have been in this program. Not a single faculty member self-identifies as a conservative, not one &#8211; while many conspicuously mention their &#8220;progressive&#8221; credentials. I had one historian try to insert global warming propaganda into his course on American history!<br />
He planned to show &#8220;An Inconvenient Truth&#8221; but did not plan to show the opposing (conservative) point of view. Where I come from, that&#8217;s not called scholarship but indoctrination. Another bit of evidence about political orientation lies in the textbooks chosen by the faculty; prominent among them were books by Eric Hobsbaum, the noted Marxist historian. No one to my knowledge presented the opposite point of view, there was no ideological balance at all. A last thread of evidence lies in the fact that whenever the Middle East came up, the faculty took pains to criticize Israel, but excused violence, terrorism, torture by the Arabic/Islamic world &#8211; or failed to mention it at all. </p>
<p>The foregoing adds up to a leftist bias in the academy, public school as well as the university/college environment.</p>
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		<title>By: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly&#8230; &#171; Truth, Lies and In Between</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Good, the Bad and the Ugly&#8230; &#171; Truth, Lies and In Between</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 01:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Ugly-Part Two After outlining some &#8220;bad&#8221; trends-the conservative abandonment of budgetary restraint, the new liberal-Wall-Street nexus, the rise of therapeutic excuse-making for substandard behavior-I now offer three &#8220;ugly&#8221; trends. These are not merely bad, but sort of creepy as well. Don&#8217;t despair-I&#8217;ll end with some good developments on the next posting. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Ugly-Part Two After outlining some &#8220;bad&#8221; trends-the conservative abandonment of budgetary restraint, the new liberal-Wall-Street nexus, the rise of therapeutic excuse-making for substandard behavior-I now offer three &#8220;ugly&#8221; trends. These are not merely bad, but sort of creepy as well. Don&#8217;t despair-I&#8217;ll end with some good developments on the next posting. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: one of my own</title>
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		<dc:creator>one of my own</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 21:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>116 G May . . . So sorry. i was relying on the minority leader&#039;s characterization . . . perhaps you remember John &quot;The Flaccid&quot; Boehner&#039;s words . . . &quot;Two nights ago, the president said, &#039;We haven&#039;t seen a budget yet out of the Republicans.&#039; Well, that&#039;s not true, because here it is, Mr. President ... Today, we&#039;re introducing a detailed &#039;Road to Recovery&#039; plan and our plan curbs spending, creates jobs, and cuts taxes while controlling the debt.&quot;

Did you catch that? &quot; . . . DETAILED Road to Recovery plan . . . &quot; 

I should have been listening to VDH AFTER the fact - you know, when it needed to be spun out of its pathetic and embarrassing spiral -rather than take Boehner at his word during the fact.

Don&#039;t you people get tired of setting aside your principles in order to defend idiots? (What am I saying . . . I&#039;m on PJM!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>116 G May . . . So sorry. i was relying on the minority leader&#8217;s characterization . . . perhaps you remember John &#8220;The Flaccid&#8221; Boehner&#8217;s words . . . &#8220;Two nights ago, the president said, &#8216;We haven&#8217;t seen a budget yet out of the Republicans.&#8217; Well, that&#8217;s not true, because here it is, Mr. President &#8230; Today, we&#8217;re introducing a detailed &#8216;Road to Recovery&#8217; plan and our plan curbs spending, creates jobs, and cuts taxes while controlling the debt.&#8221;</p>
<p>Did you catch that? &#8221; . . . DETAILED Road to Recovery plan . . . &#8221; </p>
<p>I should have been listening to VDH AFTER the fact &#8211; you know, when it needed to be spun out of its pathetic and embarrassing spiral -rather than take Boehner at his word during the fact.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you people get tired of setting aside your principles in order to defend idiots? (What am I saying . . . I&#8217;m on PJM!)</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Engineers who emigrated from the former Soviet Union and its satellites to the US are among the ruggedest individualists I have met.  How they ever coped with Communism deserves a book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Engineers who emigrated from the former Soviet Union and its satellites to the US are among the ruggedest individualists I have met.  How they ever coped with Communism deserves a book.</p>
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		<title>By: AB123</title>
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		<dc:creator>AB123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 02:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>119. J.E. Dyer: Thoughtful reply.  Thanks for taking the time.  I&#039;ll have to process what you&#039;re saying and consider it.  I wish this was the general tenor of dialogue on the net.

117. G.May: I agree  that Dr. Hansen&#039;s expertise provides him authority on the matter.  And style-wise, it would be very boring to get into extreme detail on these matters.  That written,  I don&#039;t buy that his expertise gives him a &quot;pass&quot; at having to provide independent evidence for bold assertions. 

Now, something specific:
&quot;it is widely known that the leftist bent is all pervasive in our education system.&quot;  Widely known does not mean true.  Where is the proof, other than that the &quot;expert&quot; Dr. Hansen says it is?  This seems like a doctrine of faith, rather than an exercise in critical thinking.

Thanks for a fun ride everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>119. J.E. Dyer: Thoughtful reply.  Thanks for taking the time.  I&#8217;ll have to process what you&#8217;re saying and consider it.  I wish this was the general tenor of dialogue on the net.</p>
<p>117. G.May: I agree  that Dr. Hansen&#8217;s expertise provides him authority on the matter.  And style-wise, it would be very boring to get into extreme detail on these matters.  That written,  I don&#8217;t buy that his expertise gives him a &#8220;pass&#8221; at having to provide independent evidence for bold assertions. </p>
<p>Now, something specific:<br />
&#8220;it is widely known that the leftist bent is all pervasive in our education system.&#8221;  Widely known does not mean true.  Where is the proof, other than that the &#8220;expert&#8221; Dr. Hansen says it is?  This seems like a doctrine of faith, rather than an exercise in critical thinking.</p>
<p>Thanks for a fun ride everyone.</p>
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