Things to Watch
The more Iraq begins to settle down, the more Iran will begin to ratchet up the rhetoric, since the perceived momentum in the Gulf is beginning to return to the United States. A constitutionally stable Iraq next-door is nearly ipso facto fatal to the theocracy in Iran.
The more North Korea alleges it complies with new non-proliferation accords in exchange for money and aid, the more it is likely that its nuclear infrastructure will turn up in places like Syria. Since we don’t know exactly what the Koreans had, it is impossible to learn what is ‘missing’ when they ‘come’ clean. Instead, it is a sort of way of regaining some sort of satisfaction: while backing down to the United States, it nevertheless can cause it enormous problems elsewhere.
The problem with Iran is not just its breakneck effort to enrich uranium, but our inability to monitor how much is enriched and where it ends up. It could easily say that it has quit, while giving such material to terrorists, or if it announces it has a bomb or two, can confess it cannot ‘account’ for ‘missing’ uranium.
There are two ways of learning of the pulse of the Iraqi war: one, by the presence or absence of American mishaps on the front pages of American newspapers; and, two, the degree to which Democratic politicians cease talking about timetables and withdrawals without connection to the viability of the Iraqi government. By those two benchmarks, we are doing very well. If those trends continue, watch newspapers to begin emphasizing success and politicians claiming credit for the turn-about—since the human desire to associate with success finally trumps even ideology.
Another thing to watch is whether brilliant colonels in Iraq, who are mastering counterinsurgency, will be promoted to general. While our officer corps is exhausted by repeated tours, it is also not the same cadre that fought the 2003 war, but one of the most experienced and knowledgeable cohort of professionals we have produced in a long time. I look particularly at the career progress of Col. HR McMaster to be symbolic of how seriously the Pentagon begins to reward and utilize these gifted assets.
I suppose “devil” in not as bad as “pervert” or “feces”
Here is the response to more from LTC Bateman. My replies are again in brackets.
There is no need to reply to Mr. Alterman’s charge of McCarthyism, since the entire point of using his Media Matters website to attack Carnage and Culture seems political—a sort of surrogate effort to distract from my political commentary that is sometimes deemed too critical to the doctrinaire liberal agenda.
In any case, a simple internet search will reveal an extensive literature of tens of thousand of accounts, detailing the funding of Media Matters, which drew or draws on monies from Soros-funded organizations, but apparently argues that such third-party funneling is not “direct,” and, in Orwellian fashion, therefore de facto not really funding from Soros. The reader can survey these investigations, weight them against Media Matters’ passionate defenses—and come to his own conclusions.
I never understood the connection between a presumably egalitarian Left and an international speculator who found riches by betting on (and sometimes contributing to) wide currency swings, causing a great deal of losses and hurt in 1992 to the Bank of England and its depositors, and who was fined by a French court for insider trading. This is hyper-capitalism of the most cutthroat kind, a practice enriching an individual at the expense of the many. Given the moral pretensions of many on the Left, it would seem an unlikely source of subsidies.
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Media Matters for America
Altercation by Eric Alterman
Mon, Oct 29, 2007 1:33pm EST
Bateman on Hanson, Round 1: Cannae, 2 August 216 B.C.
It may be moderately obscene, I admit, but I have always enjoyed teaching students about this battle. At the tactical level, it is the story of a force, outnumbered and fighting far from their base, defeating another force almost twice their size and doing so in such a decisive manner as to stun the world and be passed down for more than 2,000 years. At the operational level of war, competing philosophies of conflict are at play. Finally, at the strategic level of war, there is a lesson to be learned about the strategic vision of one leader, and the inability of another to grasp more than what happens on the battlefield. In short, the story of Cannae is complex and a challenge to teach.
Rather than rail overmuch here at the outset, however, I prefer to allow Mr. Hanson to light his own petard. Hanson’s basic contention is that face-to-face infantry battle is a cultural legacy exclusive to the “West.” In Carnage and Culture, he sets out to demonstrate this by resurrecting the hoary old 19th century model of “Decisive Battles” and claiming that the study of battle is the One True Way. Here is how he lays out the reason for his focus upon individual battles:
In an analysis of culture and conflict why should we concentrate on a few hours of battle and the fighting experience of the average soldier - and not the epic sweeps of wars, with their cargo of grand strategy, tactical maneuver, and vast theater operations that so much better lend themselves to careful social and cultural exegesis? Military history must never stray from the tragic story of killing, which is ultimately found only in battle. (pg. 7)
[Despite the now familiar rhetoric and braggadocio—thankfully this time I am merely to be called a “devil” rather than a “pervert” or my work “feces”—this entire argument is sadly misguided. I apologize to the reader in replying to the serial misrepresentations in what inevitably will become tedious fashion.
First, Bateman quotes from an introductory section that is called “War as Culture”. There I argued against euphemism in military history and other historigraphical approaches that sometimes neglect the violence and tragedy of organized killing.
The point here at the beginning, then, is not emphasis on pitched battle per se, in contrast to other manifestations of war—that is one of the nine themes of the book and soon discussed at length in Chapter Three on Gaugamela—but rather the approach of the military historian who sometimes fails to describe the experience of everyday soldiers by instead focusing exclusively on “grand strategy, tactical maneuver, and vast theater operations.”
I am not arguing here for an either/or methodology, only recognition that wars ultimately are about individuals who must do the killing and dying in battle and their experience should be included in any military narrative. Battle, of course, is used here in the introduction in the generic sense of fighting per se, not as a particular kind of battle.
These quotes are part of a discussion about the unusual format of the book, which begins each chapter by describing fighting and killing in mediis rebus, and then tries to discuss the larger undercurrents that might explain why these thousands died and why thousands of others did not.
Again, the entire point here is the focus of the military historian; it is not an argument here over something Bateman calls The One True Way—a silly term of course I never used.]
Also:
There is an inherent truth in battle. It is hard to disguise the verdict of the battlefield, and nearly impossible to explain away the dead, or to suggest that abject defeat is somehow victory.
[Again, apologies to those who are already bored, Bateman does not understand the very quotation he reproduces: I am not concerned in this particular discussion from which the quote derives with pitched battle versus other types of battling, but the battlefield—i.e. the landscape where people are killed—as an arena of men trying to kill each other, and the lessons that can arise from such an elemental experience.]
Just a short while later Hanson rams home the point … again:
We owe it to the dead to discover at all costs how the practice of government, science, law, and religion instantaneously determines the fate of thousands on the battlefield - and why. (pg. ![]()
[The more Bateman quotes, the more oblivious he seems to appear. Again, he seems to believe that here in this introductory discussion of the book’s historigraphical approach that this sense of “battle” means a particular type of battle, at the expense of other methods of fighting, rather than the generic human experience of killing within wars. That’s why sometimes [see below] in this discussion here I used the term “war” interchangeably.]
A few lines later he repeats himself, and at this point you are starting to think, “Hmmmm, maybe he’s serious about this focus on battle as being what matters thing”:
War is ultimately killing. Its story becomes absurd when the wages of death are ignored by the historian. (pg. ![]()
In case you weren’t listening, he keeps up the same drumbeat throughout the book.
Hanson is saying that the study of battle provides the evidence to support his main idea.
[The use of “Hmmmmm”, like “rail” and “drumbeat”, I think, is again revealing. It is hard to continue with this reply, because something seems wrong with Bateman’s ability to read and comprehend language, as in his first critique last week: My sentences, “War is ultimately killing. Its story becomes absurd when the wages of death are ignored by the historian” pace Bateman, do not mean, “Hanson is saying that the study of battle provides the evidence to support his main idea.”
Instead, as pointed out above, it emphasizes the moral responsibilities of the historian. One can agree or disagree with that argument, but it is not an argument at this particular place in the text that only decisive battle captures the essence of war.]
Hanson outlines his overall thesis in a section subheaded “The Singularity of Western Military Culture.” In that section Hanson puts it this way:
All armies engage in mass confrontations at times; few prefer to do so in horrendous collisions of shock and eschew fighting at a distance or through stealth when there is at least the opportunity for decisive battle …
And then:
Foot soldiers are common in every culture, but infantrymen, fighting en masse, who take and hold ground and fight face-to-face, are a uniquely Western specialty … (pg. 445)
In other words, only Western armies seek out shock battle and short, sharp, hard fights. Others try to avoid battles, using movement, misdirection, deception, and other stratagems so as not to fight.
[Again, there is evident an inability to analyze the very quote produced: Bateman quotes me, “all armies engage in mass confrontations at times” and then “Foot soldiers are common in every culture”—but then concludes that means [his words, not mine] that “others try to avoid battles.” That’s contradictory and not what I wrote and discussed at length in Chapter Three.
Instead, these quotes, and this section of the book at large, point out that all cultures at times send soldiers to meet each other en masse, but there is a cultural preference in the West to prefer decisive, shock battle whenever possible and feasible.
Note that each of the nine chapters highlights a particular aspect of the Western military tradition. Gaugamela, the third chapter, dealt at length with decisive battle, but is inexplicably omitted in a Bateman’s exclusive focus here on the Western preference for decisive battle.
There, however, I outlined an extensive Hellenic vocabulary for pitched battle, noted a variety of quotations from early thinkers about the primacy of the set piece, traced its ethnical and practical origins, and noted both the Western deprecation for other types of fighting, and why and how sometimes this chauvinism proved dangerous, and how this legacy has limitations in an age of nuclear power, and ubiquitous deadly Westernized technology.
The reader is urged to turn to Chapter Three, rather than have me rehash the evidence and arguments here that are conveniently ignored by Bateman—who also skips entirely the theme of constitutional government in the chapter on Cannae under discussion.
That said, Cannae reflects, of course, like the other battles I discuss, this multifaceted Western military tradition, which in part includes a tendency to favor decisive battles.
But the point is not that Westerners always sought or won in decisive battle (in some cases, numbers, terrain, and logistics made both impossible) or that their enemies always avoided set pieces, but rather there was an idealization in the West of pitched battle, a tendency to favor it, and a deprecation—sometimes foolishly so—of other manifestations of war, whether terrorism, missile fighting, or hit-and-run wars of attrition.
We can see the occasional liabilities of those assumptions from the Athenian experience in Aitolia to our own in Iraq.]
But there is one big problem with that thesis: One of the most famous battles in all of history runs 180 degrees against Mr. Hanson’s thesis. It is a battle so famous that Hanson cannot ignore it or pretend that it didn’t happen, as he does with many other battles (which we will see in later weeks). But more than that, it was not just one battle, but a whole string of battles, all of which ran counter to his idea that the cultural legacy of the “West” generates an inclination for head-on battles, and that inclination leads to victory. Even worse, what eventually led to an overall victory for the Roman (”Western”) side in the war was not battle, but actually the active avoidance of battle! Those last two points, however, Hanson has concealed.
[Bateman does not seem to grasp the very essence of the Second Punic War. Rome in the first few years predictably tried to win it outright in a series of pitched battles. When they failed due to the rare genius of Hannibal, they opted for a short while to delay further set encounters until their legions were replenished and commanders experienced with Hannibal warfare. But not long after, decisive battles resumed all over the Western Mediterranean [see below], and the Punic War was won not by avoiding battle, but finally by crushing Carthaginian armies in horrific set battles in Italy, Spain, and North Africa.
I selected Cannae as one of nine battles, so I hardly tried to ignore or conceal anything about the battle. Note again, Bateman simply does not understand the arguments of Carnage and Culture. He writes “But more than that, it was not just one battle, but a whole string of battles, all of which ran counter to his idea that the cultural legacy of the “West” generates an inclination for head-on battles, and that inclination leads to victory.”
I don’t know how “a whole series of battles” runs counter to the idea of “an inclination for head-on battles.”
Moreover, the “idea” or “basic contention” or “thesis” of Carnage and Culture is, again, not just head-on battle, but a menu of cultural practices highlighted in each of the nine chapters.
In the case of Cannae, the emphasis was on civic militarism, in Tenochtitlan on Western rationalism and technology. Other chapters dealt with western notions of discipline, dissent and open critique, and individualism, and so on. Each chapter, of course, reflects the entire western military tradition, but the full argument of each element is focused and discussed at length in particular chapters.
If Bateman wishes to challenge my argument about this one element of the lethal Western tradition, he might have much more easily discussed the chapter in which the argument is laid out in its fullest extent; or, contrarily, if he wished to focus on Cannae he could accept or reject the expressed theme there of the value of constitutional government.
The central argument of that chapter was not the primacy of shock battle—more on that below—but rather how Roman republicanism was able to galvanize to recreate legions after terrible losses, and transmit a sense of civic involvement to a large segment of the population.
That was not just my conclusion, but that of Greek historian Polybius as well: “For although the Romans had clearly been defeated in the field, and their reputation in arms ruined, yet because of the singularity of their constitution, and by wisdom of their deliberative counsel, they had not only reclaimed the sovereignty of Italy, and went on to conquer the Carthaginians, but in just a few years themselves became the ruler of the entire world.”]
The short version of what happened in the Punic Wars runs something like this: Rome and a North African city called Carthage fought a series of wars that spanned almost 120 years. During the second war, a Carthaginian leader named Hannibal marched his army from Spain, across what is now the south of France, over the Alps, and into Italy. During those marches he confronted small Roman detachments and Roman allies. He beat them all. Then, once he invaded the Roman homeland, he defeated several Roman armies in a row.
In the first major battle, Hannibal and his army directly confronted an equally sized Roman army and wiped out about 20,000 of perhaps 36,000 Romans on the field. In the next battle, he again offered direct combat with his army, again on equal terms, and in that battle his army killed 30,000 Romans while capturing the remaining 10,000. So, in two battles, Hannibal’s non-Western army killed or captured something like 60,000 out of almost 80,000 Romans sent against them, while barely losing any of their own strength. Hanson, of course, never talks about these numbers or battles in any detail. He grants them light, one-sentence asides and concessions, but generally brushes past their meaning. With the addition of Cannae, these three fights are examples that run counter to Hanson’s thesis. One battle might have been an exception to the rule. But when the historical record shows battle after battle where the “Western” way of war is shown up, on home turf, when the Westerners outnumbered the enemy, the thesis begins to lose air. Hanson, however, brushes this aside by admitting that Cannae “was not a fluke.” But he does so in just one sentence.
[This is completely disingenuous. The chapter, of course, mentions fatality numbers—cf. pp. 104, 110. Here is what I actually wrote: “From the time of his descent from the Alps in October 218 to the slaughter at Cannae on August 2, 216 BC., Hannibal had killed or captured in battle somewhere between 80,000 and 100,000 legionnaires, along with hundreds of the senatorial and knightly classes, including two consuls at the head of their armies and numerous ex-consuls in the ranks. In the space of twenty-four months a third of Rome’s frontline troops of more than a third of a million men of military age were to be killed, wounded, or capture in the bloodbaths at Ticinus, Trebia, Trasimene, and Cannae. Cannae, then, was no fluke.”
The Roman preference for decisive battle was apparent from the start—and reveals itself even when terrain and poor generalship might have suggested that it would be unwise at Ticinus, Trebia, and Trasimene.
Livy and Polybius note the impetuousness of inexperienced Roman generals to insist on a decisive battle even when others saw that it was unwise to tangle with this particular genius, especially when he was isolated in a foreign territory with tenuous lines of support.
Again, inspired and brilliant Fabian tactics were considered unfortunately cowardly and unromantic, precisely because they were antithetical to a long tradition of preference for finding the enemy and destroying him in pitched battle as quickly as possible.
The texts of Livy and Polybius emphasize again and again the natural Roman repugnance—and popular outrage—toward Fabian tactics, and eventually the wisdom of the Roman Senate in checking for a while these well-known but now dangerous impulses until the fresh legions were experienced and new Roman commanders schooled enough to return to, and defeat the Carthaginians in, pitched battle—which of course they eventually did.
Hannibal was a rare military genius, won several set pitched battles, but could not defeat a system that eventually trumped his innate talents and so crushed him— in a set battle. Bateman doesn’t seem to understand that victors in war often lose battles in the process.]
But back to the narrative: Finally, the series of pitched battles culminated in the absolute destruction of the largest Roman army yet thrown against the Carthaginians. Out of an estimated 70,000 Roman legionnaires who arrived in the vicinity of the battlefield at a place called Cannae, Hannibal’s army killed about 50,000 of them in a few hours. The Carthaginians did this by pretending to pull back in the middle of their line, until they sucked the Roman army into a three-sided trap, which their cavalry then closed from behind. It was the definition of a historic battle, but the really interesting stuff came later. More on that in a moment.
[Again, “the series of pitched battles” and Cannae itself were possible only because, despite poor generalship, Rome commanders insisted on fighting Hannibal in such decisive encounters, eventually learned from them, and then used that very experience to win the war by victories in pitched battles.]
Now, to give the devil his due, Hanson’s description of the battle that occurred in 216 B.C. is generally accurate, in the broadest outlines. He does go pretty far, however, in trying to twist the language around to suit his needs. So, while he takes no liberties with the specifics of what happened on that day, he is tricky with his use of language. Hanson tries to minimize the impact of the horrific Roman defeat at Cannae by making it seem like the actual size of the massive Roman army did not matter. Instead, he suggests, the Romans that lost there were effectively the second-stringers.
[I never wrote they were second-stringers, and emphasized Hannibal’s genius, and inept Roman leadership, as accounting for the victory. And yes, after tens of thousands of dead in three prior pitched battles, the legions of the young republic were already, prior to Cannae, becoming attenuated, and Rome conscripted old men, youths, and slaves.]
For example, he mentions, how at Cannae the African troops in the Carthaginian army were “veterans.” Then he conversely describes many of the 70,000 Romans as, “adolescents who filled the Romans ranks, depleted by the thousands butchered earlier at Ticinus and Lake Trasimene” (pg. 101). In another part of the text, while Hanson says that Hannibal “arrayed 10,000 skilled horsemen,” he goes on to describe the opposing Roman cavalry as “6,000 poorly trained mounted Italians.” (pg. 102) Now, the problem with that is that the sources do not describe the Roman cavalry as “poorly trained.” It is true that the Romans generally did not have the best cavalry. But in this specific case, Hanson is just making an assertion. He does this because it fits his thesis. He does not know what training the Roman cavalry had, any more than he knows how many “adolescents” were in the Roman army that day. The historical record is, effectively, silent on those specific points. In other words, Hanson is merely guessing, but writing his guesses in such a way as to make them appear authoritative.
[It was not my judgment, but that of ancient historians that Roman cavalry was traditionally underappreciated, and thus weak and neglected, in general and here in the Punic War, as the first battle at Ticinus proved. Livy explicitly concluded of that battle that the Carthaginians were clearly superior in cavalry. Roman historians at all times lamented the need for foreign auxiliaries, particularly African and Gallic cavalry. The need not merely to draft slaves, but to find able-bodies legionaries at all costs was a reaction to the limited manpower reserves of the republic, that between 219-216 perhaps lost close to 100,000 soldiers in battle, and thousands as well to wounds or illness.]
But all of this is small fry compared to his greatest offenses.
How, one might be asking themselves at this point, can Hanson defend his thesis of the supremacy of the Western Way of War given the facts of these battles? How can he continue to assert that the West is supreme in infantry shock battle, when all major Roman battles of the Second Punic War mentioned in this chapter show the Romans being beaten in direct head-to-head shock battle by non-Westerners? Well, the answer is moderately simple. Hanson tries to save his thesis by saying something like, “Uh, battle matters … except when it doesn’t.” In fact, this is what he says:
[I don’t say “something like” at all. The historical record from our sources, not I, provides the proper context: the Romans wished to fight in pitched battle repeatedly, even when they lacked the leadership to match Hannibal. That they attempted to do so frequently, and eventually succeeded reflects their commitment to decisive battle and eventual success with it.
Second, as mentioned in the text, Hannibal himself, drew many of his ideas and much of knowledge of war likewise from an Hellenic tradition, in which Greek thinkers and generals offered their expertise during and after the First Punic War to help thwart Rome, hence Hannibal’s own desire to meet the Romans often in decisive engagements.
The chapter on Cannae argues that the institution of civic militarism and constitutional government were advantages that kept the Roman military viable and able to reconstitute the legions, learn from the prior mistakes and eventually destroy the Carthaginians—in a number of pitched battles well before the finale at Zama. (More below.)]
Cannae, like so many of these landmark battles, is the exception that proves the rule: even when Roman armies were poorly led, foolishly arranged, squabbling before battle over the proper deployment, and arrayed against a rare genius, the catastrophic outcome was not fatal to their conduct of the war. (pg. 105)
What is remarkable about Cannae is not that thousands of Romans were so easily massacred in battle, but that they were massacred to such little strategic effect. (pg. 111)
Students of war must never be content to learn merely how men fight a battle, but must always ask why soldiers fight as they do, and what ultimately their battle is for. (pg. 131)
So, you see, despite Hanson having written over and over again that battle is what matters, when confronted with irrefutable historical evidence contrary to his thesis that the “West” is supreme in infantry-centric shock battles, Hanson becomes a flip-flopper. In these quotes above he is saying, because he must, that it actually does not matter who wins the battle!
[Bateman seems to think either that successful armies never lose battles, or that Rome lost the Punic War, or that it won it without defeating Carthage in a variety of brutal set battles!
So what Bateman has done is this: he confuses the introductory comments about writing about the battle experience of soldiers and the need to appreciate their sacrifice with an argument about decisive battle; next, he omits the arguments adduced in a chapter-length (on Gaugamela) explication of why Westerners preferred decisive battle; then, he chooses to critique decisive battle by reviewing a chapter on the advantages of civic militarism and constitutional government, and yet after all that still demonstrates the opposite of what he desires:
The Second Punic War was won by decisive battle, in which Roman legions, after learning critical lessons from their initial mistakes in generalship and tactics, crushed Hannibal and his armies at Zama.
The chapter noted that when Romans were inexperienced with Carthaginian infantry tactics, were unaware of the tactical brilliance of Hannibal (who drew on an earlier Hellenic military tradition of pike men and shock), and were plagued by Italian dissension, they nevertheless preferred decisive battle, which initially led them to both mistakes and critical knowledge from those errors.
Note especially—ignored by Bateman—that I mention the phenomenon of westernization (see the section “Carthage and the West”), as in the case of Midway. The Spartan Xanthippus had introduced Western ideas of infantry during the first Punic war. Greeks like Sosylus accompanied Hannibal and reflected a transmission of Greek thinking to Carthage, from military thought to agriculture practice—and likewise helps to explain why Hannibal himself sought to engage Romans directly, at times with spearmen in battles of shock, at times even when it was wiser not to.]
But what about what happened afterward? If what really matters, according to this new Hanson formulation, is the bigger picture, then what happened next? What happened after the Romans were crushed, for a third time, on their home turf? Hanson writes:
Marcus Junius was appointed dictator, with formal directives to raise armies in any manner possible. He did so magnificently. More than 20,000 were recruited into four new legions. Some legionaries were not yet seventeen. Eight thousand slaves were purchased at public expense and given arms, with a proviso that courage in battle might lead to freedom. Junius himself freed 6,000 prisoners and took direct command of this novel legion of felons. (pg. 127)
Huh? Wait a second. In an earlier passage Hanson wrote, “Western armies often fought with and for a sense of legal freedom.” (pg. 21) This, in fact, was a foundation to his hypothetical motivation for the Western soldiers. According to Hanson, it was because of their freedoms that men in the West fought so hard and so well in infantry shock battles.
[This is, I am afraid, adolescent and becoming rather embarrassing. I discussed the ancient concept of freedom in an entire chapter on Salamis, noting carefully that it was an evolving idea, and is to be understood in the context of the general morality of the times. Bateman perhaps by extension would argue that the Founding Fathers did not bequeath constitutionally protect freedom to Americans, some of whom who held slaves, because it was still an imperfect and not fully evolved idea.
Bateman’s is one of the oldest and most puerile of politically-correct critiques of the West—the idea that the absence of perfection means that a noble institution at its inception was therefore not good, or at least perhaps hypocritical.
In fact, Roman citizens enjoyed a freedom unknown in Carthage or anywhere outside the Roman and Hellenic world. But as true everywhere else, they also owned slaves. But that age-old ubiquitous practice was under appraisal, and subject to occasional criticism as was not true elsewhere.
Again, the discussion of “freedom” and slavery in the first chapter of the book and the apparent paradox of free citizens having slaves, is completely ignored by Bateman, who seems unaware of a long ancient and modem discussion of slavery and its contradictory association with free citizens.
Cf. 50-51, where the argument mentions the secondary status of women, slaves, and non-citizen in the Greek and Roman worlds. It then points out this was true of all other cultures of the ancient world (and many today as well), but what was unique in the West was that there was also an accompanying idea of a free male citizen, and this not only gave rights and responsibility to millions in a way not found elsewhere, but more importantly soon become an evolving concept that was expansive and grew ever more inclusive over a 2500 year tradition.
Or as I wrote, “Freedom is an evolving idea, a miraculous and dangerous concept has no logical restrictions on its ultimate development once it is hatched.”]
Yet here, of 20,000 new troops Hanson is lauding the Romans for raising in the wake of the disaster at Cannae, a full 14,000 of them are either slaves or prisoners. (And I thought our recruiting difficulties in the U.S. Army were rough.) How can one be a slave and at the same time fight due to a sense of one’s civic responsibility to the Roman state? This is an especially difficult question since most Roman slaves were from foreign sources in the first place, and so would have had no allegiance to Rome.
[The point is obvious: it was precisely because Roman citizenship was prized, especially the protection of Roman law accorded to free citizens, that made it so attractive to slaves, foreign born or not, to risk dying in battle to get it.]
But the legions were raised, and by the end of the chapter Hanson’s logic has become so twisted around that this fact, not the facts of what happened in the battle, is what Hanson contends matters. But then what did the Romans do with those legions? Perhaps this line might help. (Primer: Hasdrubal is another Carthaginian leader; Metaurus was a battle that took place in 207 B.C., nine years after Cannae.) Here Hanson is offering a hypothetical and comparing the strategic levels of war by talking about the Carthaginian political leadership vice that of the Romans.
After Hasdrubal’s catastrophic setback at the Metaurus, there was no likelihood that the Carthaginian Assembly, as Rome had done after the far worse slaughter at Cannae, would have ordered a general muster of all its able-bodied citizenry — a real nation in arms arising to crush the hated resurgent legions. (pg. 9)
Now, from that sentence one gets the impression that after the battle of Cannae, the Romans did, in fact, arise as a “real nation in arms” and that they subsequently immediately sought battle and then “crushed” the Carthaginian army under Hannibal, right?
Wrong. Though Hanson makes only one slight mention of it, the fact is that Hannibal stayed in Italy for the next 14 years. He stayed on Roman soil, moving with near impunity, year after year. How could Hannibal do that?
Well, completely contrary to Hanson’s thesis about how Western armies seek battle, hold ground, and strive for short and sharp shock conflicts, the reality was that the Romans, for the next 14 years, deliberately avoided shock and pitched battles with Hannibal. (Remember these Hanson lines? “All armies engage in mass confrontations at times; few prefer to do so in horrendous collisions of shock and eschew fighting at a distance or through stealth when there is at least the opportunity for decisive battle…” and “Foot soldiers are common in every culture, but infantrymen, fighting en masse, who take and hold ground and fight face-to-face, are a uniquely Western specialty…” (pg. 445))
What the Romans actually did was exactly the opposite of the Hanson thesis. They broke up their armies into smaller forces and harassed Hannibal indirectly. They gave ground, regularly, and lived to maneuver another day. They sought to wear him down, while preserving their own forces. They avoided pitched battles on any large scale. In short, they followed the direct advice of one of the other most famous generals of all time, one who is only mentioned by name a single time in the entire chapter (and then without noting his actions). That man was Quintus Fabius Maximus, called “Cunctator” (The Delayer), and it is from him that we have the term “Fabian Strategy,” which was so magnificently put into play by a fellow named George Washington a couple of millennia later.
[After Ticinus, Trebia, Trasimene, and Cannae—disastrous pitched battles which Roman commanders insisted on fighting despite problems in command and generalship (such was the pull of the Roman tradition to fight pitched battles even if unwise against a genius like Hannibal)—Roman manpower was exhausted, after losing perhaps 100,000 soldiers in battle.
The Roman Senate immediately sought to rebuild the legions often ex nihilo, and while that rebuilding process went forth, Fabius, to great criticism (Cunctator was originally a term of derision), once more convinced Romans that they should once again use their tenuous forces to delay Hannibal until the republic was able to go back on the offensive.
The famous phrase “unus homo nobis cunctando restituit rem” is revealing. Cunctando does mean “harassing” but rather “delaying,” in the larger sense, not just of avoiding Hannibal’s seasoned forces, but also delaying the Roman desire for pitched battle itself until Rome was in a position once more wisely to employ large trained legions under able commanders, which it did most brilliantly at the Metaurus and then Zama to end the war outright.
But more importantly Bateman is sorely mistaken about the absence of decisive battles in the Second Punic war, whether in Italy, Sicily, Spain, or Africa.
After Cannae, even at terrible aggregate losses, Roman forces in Italy and Sicily attacked and besieged Syracuse, Tarentum, Sagentum, fought several sea battles, and then once again fought and lost decisive battles at Silarus and Herdonia and then won a spectacular victory at the Metaurus.
Bateman appears unaware that very rarely has a war seen so many decisive battles in which tens of thousands perished in horrific encounters at sea, and in sieges, and in scores of costly direct engagements (not fought by Fabius) all over Italy and the Western Mediterranean almost every year of the conflict—at, for example, Asculum, Baecula, Baetis, Bagbrades, Beneventum, Cannae, Canusium, Capua, Cissa, Cornus, Croton, Dertosa, on the Ebro River, Grumentum, Herdonia, Metaurus, Nola, Numistro, Saguntum, Silarus, Suessula, Tarentum, Ticinus, Lake Trasimene, Trebia, Utica and Zama.]
How Hanson missed that extra 14-year part where the Romans avoided major pitched battles in Italy is curious.
Folks, this is just one chapter, and it was a chapter dealing with events within Hanson’s specialty. It gets worse from here.
[It should be clear now that there were plenty of pitched battles in which thousands died after Cannae—not mere skirmishes or ambushes—between 216 and 202, fought by generals other than Fabius, and not only in Italy, but in Spain, Sicily, and Africa as well. That is why I wrote: “For the next fourteen years Hannibal would experience a seesaw series of victories and defeats inside Italy…”
In short, Bateman seems completely unacquainted with the basic details of the Second Punic War; omits lengthy arguments made in the book about decisive battle, ancient freedom, slavery, and the nature of the Roman army before and after Cannae. He thinks historigraphical reference in the text to the need of a military historian to concentrate on the details of fighting is an argument that war is defined only by decisive battle; and he ignores the central theme of the chapter under discussion about constitutional government that carefully explains how and why the Romans could lose initial decisive battles, regroup and delay, and then in a series of such encounters all over the Western Mediterranean defeat Hannibal through decisive battle.
I don’t think there is any need for Bateman to chest-thump further or to editorialize. Sadly his level of critique, the accuracy of its content, the manner in which it is written, and the use of pejoratives like “feces,” “pervert” and “devil”, simply do not reflect well on the conduct of an active military officer. Media Matters has not served him well, or he them.
I will write more briefly on future misrepresentations, since the point has been made now that the first two critiques were politically-driven, contracted-out journalism, and not intended to be serious historical examinations.]
Next Week: Leaping Through Time to Poitiers and Beyond.
You can write to LTC Bob at R_Bateman_LTC@Hotmail.com
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catalina:Here is another example of his over-the-top political commentary from Altercation. He is obviously a political hack hired by Sorors. The question is, how much are they paying him for this?
http://mediamatters.org/altercation/200705170003#2
Corridor Three
10:30 hours (local EST), Friday, 11 May 2007: Third Corridor, Second Floor, The Pentagon:
It is 110 yards from the “E” ring to the “A” ring of the Pentagon. This section of the Pentagon is newly renovated; the floors shine, the hallway is broad, and the lighting is bright. At this instant the entire length of the corridor is packed with officers, a few sergeants and some civilians, all crammed tightly three and four deep against the walls. There are thousands here. This hallway, more than any other, is the “Army” hallway. The G3 offices line one side, G2 the other, G8 is around the corner. All Army. Moderate conversations flow in a low buzz. Friends who may not have seen each other for a few weeks, or a few years, spot each other, cross the way and renew. Everyone shifts to ensure an open path remains down the center. The air conditioning system was not designed for this press of bodies in this area. The temperature is rising already. Nobody cares.
10:36 hours (local EST):
The clapping starts at the E-Ring. That is the outermost of the five rings of the Pentagon and it is closest to the entrance to the building. This clapping is low, sustained, hearty. It is an applause with a deep emotion behind it as it moves forward in a wave down the length of the hallway. A steady rolling wave of sound it is, moving at the pace of the soldier in the wheelchair who marks the forward edge with his presence. He is the first. He is missing the greater part of one leg, and some of his wounds are still suppurating.
By his age I expect that he is a private, or perhaps a private first class. Captains, majors, lieutenant colonels and colonels meet his gaze and nod as they applaud, soldier to soldier. Three years ago when I described one of these events on Altercation, those lining the hallways were somewhat different. The applause a little wilder, perhaps in private guilt for not having shared in the burden … yet. Now almost everyone lining the hallway is, like the man in the wheelchair, also a combat veteran. This steadies the applause, but I think deepens the sentiment. We have all been there now. The soldier’s chair is pushed by, I believe, a full colonel. Behind him, and stretching the length from E to A, come more of his peers, each private, corporal or sergeant assisted as need be by a field grade officer.
11:00 hours (local EST):
Twenty-four minutes of steady applause. My hands hurt, and I laugh to myself at how stupid that sounds in my own head. “My hands hurt.” Christ. Shut up and clap.
For twenty-four minutes, soldier after soldier has come down this hallway — 20, 25, 30. Fifty-three legs come with them, and perhaps only 52 hands or arms, but down this hall came 30 solid hearts. They pass down this corridor of officers and applause, and then meet for a private lunch, at which they are the guests of honor, hosted by the generals.
Some are wheeled along. Some insist upon getting out of their chairs, to march as best they can with their chin held up, down this hallway, through this most unique audience. Some are catching handshakes and smiling like a politician at a Fourth of July parade. More than a couple of them seem amazed and are smiling shyly. There are families with them as well: the 18-year-old war-bride pushing her 19-year-old husband’s wheelchair and not quite understanding why her husband is so affected by this, the boy she grew up with, now a man, who had never shed a tear is crying; the older immigrant Latino parents who have, perhaps more than their wounded mid-20s son, an appreciation for the emotion given on their son’s behalf. No man in that hallway, walking or clapping, is ashamed by the silent tears on more than a few cheeks. An Airborne Ranger wipes his eyes only to better see. A couple of the officers in this crowd have themselves been a part of this parade in the past. These are our men, broken in body they may be, but they are our brothers, and we welcome them home.
This parade has gone on, every other Friday, all year long, for more than four years.
Nov 1, 2007 - 3:13 am Jack Marcotte:Essential vdh
I must say that initially I thought you were wasting you time on an idiot like Batemen.
Batemen’s own words mark him as a small caliber LTC who obviously was not overlooked by correctly not being promoted into the higher ranks of the US Army.
It is tedious work when dealing with idiots who insist on pushing forward even when they are riding on “wet paper tractors”—perfectly content to substitute their make believe words for the real thing.
My change of mind on the need for your defence is the recognition that the current Liberal left wing idiots– who have no conceptual ability to judge any piece of subject matter on quality of content— would use Batemen’s articles as a club to discount your essential work.
Of course you have recognized this mindless left wing and MSM assault on reason, knowledge and common sense and have thus “defended” all of us from the left wing idiots by not allowing yourself to be “discounted” by a ton of BS covering you up. Even if it is simply mindless idiotic “words”.
Nov 1, 2007 - 3:57 am USMC Ken:Sir, Your advice to readers to go back to Carnage and Culture is the most compelling counter to LTC Bateman’s attack. I am not much of a student, but the thesis of the chapter on Cannae was pretty clear to me, and did not resemble the straw man that LTC Bateman constructed to argue against.
I tend to agree with your analysis that LTC Bateman’s critique of you is “politically-driven, contracted-out journalism, and not intended to be serious historical examinations.” This is ironic, given LTC Bateman’s previous complaints about and disdain for poorly sourced history written to sell to an ignorant public. Pot, meet kettle.
Nov 1, 2007 - 7:40 am actor212:Vickie,
Ramadan just ended. You should probably give this a few more weeks before gloating about a reduction in violence in Iraq.
Cuz, you know, you’ll be wronger then than you were before Ramadan.
Nov 1, 2007 - 8:23 am Scott Ryan:Actor 212 wrote: Vickie,
Ramadan just ended. You should probably give this a few more weeks before gloating about a reduction in violence in Iraq.
Cuz, you know, you’ll be wronger then than you were before Ramadan.
No irony here as someone who uses the tag “actor” posts a few lines devoid of sense and content.
Is that really you Sean Penn?
Nov 1, 2007 - 9:29 am mikesf:I’m no scholar, but I thought the book was terrific and I believe I have a basic grasp of the chapter.
Nov 1, 2007 - 1:10 pm scb:The Romans looked for the big engagement even when it was to their disadvantage. Hannibal kicked em around pretty good and wiped out most of the legions. Fabius was able keep Hanibal occupied until the Romans could regroup and replenish the ranks. The Romans, after years of battle and horrendous causualties were able to adapt, adjust and crush Hannibal at Zama. Hannibal, even though he was the most brilliant commander was defeated because Rome’s governmental and societal structure were superior to Carthage’s.
LTC Bateman is either a dim bulb or he is towing the party line for Media Matters. I don’t want this guy teaching my kids.
I have a hard time following Bateman’s critique which seems to suffer from a loose and casual thought process; stunning because it comes from a LTC in the U.S. Army. For Bateman who fancies himself a military historian and teacher may explain the utter stupidity found in our revisionist history lessons today. I was an infantry sergeant for eight years (sorry, I felt the need to qualify where I come from). Bateman, I wouldn’t follow you to the mess hall, let alone battle. I am not sure of Bateman’s specialty within the military, but assume it wasn’t a combat specialty (the REMFs at the Pentagon are a long way from the real world of soldiering and our Western Way of War.) Rather his verbal swagger and sophmoric name calling smacks of the big fat chair-borne office types, or REMFs, as we called them.
Nov 1, 2007 - 3:00 pm L Nettles:I can’t help but think Bateman is working as some sort of journalistic hired gun (which doesn’t shoot very straight). Victor DAVIS Hanson shouldn’t waste his time refuting this leftist sponsored nonsense, but I can appreciate the country boy in him enjoying taking Bateman behind the barn for a good ol’fashioned *** woopin’. For Dr. Hanson to make fun of Bateman, in the same way Bateman takes pot shots at VDH, would be too much like shooting hefers in a pasture with a high powered rifle from his front porch swing; where’s the sport?
VDH, you keep writing them, we’ll keep buying them. I find you brilliant in the same way I find Bernard DeVoto brilliant. I think of you as America’s preeminant military historian. Bateman’s name, of course, will be relegated to the lost junk heap of history.
So far I am disappointed with LTC Bateman’s attack, its as if he is writing this as he goes along without read the entire book first.
Nov 1, 2007 - 5:20 pm zhombre:sbc - the Army produces a large number of light colonels and some of them, alas, aren’t well decanted over the years, so that sediment clogs their thought processes.
Nov 2, 2007 - 3:36 am Steven D:Lt. Col. Bateman is a US Army Ranger. He served in Iraq from 2005-2006. He was a Major at that time with the 7th Calvary Regiment, 2nd Battalion. While in Iraq he posted various emails about his experiences there at Eric Alterman’s blog, Altercation, first at MsNBC.com and then later at Media Matters. I’m sure if you google Bob Bateman and Altercation you can still find a few of those emails online. While there he was part of the Multinational Security Transition Command. On more than one occasion he risked his life in the performance of his duties there. If you would like to read about one of these occasions i can direct your attention to this link to a story that appeared in the Chicago Tribune:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-oped1012contractoroct12,0,4399312.story
I suggest you whatever you may think about LTC Bateman’s critique of Mr. Hanson’s work, ad hominem attacks on his service as a military officer are in poor taste and serve more to highlight the dubious character of the person making that comment than it constitutes a legitimate rebuke of Lt. Col. Bateman.
Nov 2, 2007 - 8:19 am Jack Marcotte:Essential vdh
Attention: Steven D. Ref: Defense of Batemen.
Bateman’s demonstrable ability per his own written comments measure him in all areas needed. Your comments simply confirm what any knowledgeable Ex Military or Military man would think. He was a staff officer and did not lead men in a line position during combat.
His own obnoxious personality proves that he would not do well in a command position. In Batemens case you would have to agree that the military did something right. They did not promote him above LTC.
A Defense of Bateman such as yours would be better left unsaid. It also proves that he operates with his own agenda and is looking for a spotlight that will shine on what he perceives as his “exceptional abilities”.
In short when you see an officer like him run like hell, if you are under him, of put him in a hole if you are above him.
Nov 2, 2007 - 9:24 am Zhombre:I have no doubts about Bateman’s competence, efficiency and valor as a military officer; however as a military historian writing on the web and engaged in a “takedown” of a writer he regards as a neocon icon, I have to questions both the style and substance of his assault on Hanson’s work and some of Bateman’s verbiage directed against Hanson as a historian is in poor taste and serves to highlight the dubious character making those comments more than it constitutes a legimate rebuke of Dr. Hanson.
Nov 2, 2007 - 10:09 am Dan:In another day, in another age, a creature like Bateman would be blackballed in the service, and his career would go nowhere.
He would be relegated to some obscure outpost, where he would be forgotten by all, save perhaps his family.
That was as dishonest a “critique” as one is apt to find.
And THAT’S the level of scholarship in our officer corps.
Don’t presume to think that Bateman is unique. He represents the poisoning of the officer corps, because they’ve been educated by the same type of people who “educated” those at the State Department, who “educated” those in academia, who “educated” those at various “journalism” schools.
That “critique” should completely end his military career.
Will it?
And if not, why not? If that doesn’t throw a light on his “military” aptitude, what does?
And this clown is an officer, in OUR Army!
And I COMPLETELY disagree with Steven D. who urges us to pass over the “service” that Bateman tendered our country.
An idiot isn’t insulated from criticism because he’s wearing the uniform. It works the other way around. BECAUSE HE’S IN UNIFORM, BECAUSE HE’S AN OFFICER, he’s subjected to HIGHER scrutiny. We expect and require a certain level of intelligence, which Bateman, BY HIS OWN WORDS, demonstrably doesn’t possess.
IMHO, Bateman’s actions are those of a damn disgrace.
Nov 2, 2007 - 11:20 pm QMC(SW):I just love this debate but I have to apologize to the LTC. I wrote in the comments of Mr. Hanson’s last response to the LTC. that my experience with officers in the soft sciences were not positive. A rather sweeping indictment on my part. I don’t have any idea what kind of officer he is. I do know this. He is not a disgrace. He is just another officer with an opinion. and opinions are like *******’s , everybody’s got one. He needs to take the stink out of his and get on with it.
Nov 3, 2007 - 1:44 pm Sheila:Actor1212’s bolg quotes Matt Santos from the West Wing. I think that really speaks to his thought process. Quoting a character from a TV show is not my idea of deep thought.
Nov 3, 2007 - 3:32 pm Cory:However, he also is wrong about Ramadan violence. Violence isn’t always down during Ramadan. See for yourself: http://www.islam-watch.org/AlamgirHussain/RamadanViolence.htm
At the end of two innings the score is: VDH 2, LTC Bateman 0
Just like the Romans with Hannibal, LTC Bateman will need to change strategies quickly if he wants to come out on top of this one.
I’m not sure what his objective is here, but so far it doesn’t seem to be to persuade through logic and reasoning.
Nov 3, 2007 - 6:23 pm Halbert:Having gone to college and earned a degree in the liberal arts I can tell you that this type of thinking on behalf of Ph.D.’s within the liberal arts/humanities is all too common. College is a strange alternative to reality where Western Civilization is the root of all evil and thus must be undermined and attacked at every opportunity. VDH points out that slavery was universal, and that the West is exceptional for debating and eventually eliminating it in its societies. These facts simply do not go along with the narrative of the left. Those like VDH inconvenietly point them out and prevent the left from extinguishing them and many other facts like them that reveal the leftist narrative to be a great deception. For this reason, VDH must be assassinated by the thugs on the left.
Some programs of study in college interfere with one’s ability to think clearly, ethically, honestly, and logically. (Hard sciences, engineering, and some liberal arts/humanities programs have yet to be compromised, but give it time.) Ultimately, it produces people like Bateman, who substitute petty ‘take downs’ and politically correct cant for the hard work of real learning and scholarship. The intellectual sloppiness and IGNORANCE OF THE CONCEPT THAT ONE SHOULD KNOW WHAT ONE IS TALKING ABOUT (read the book, then discuss it) demonstrated here and the consequent lack of coherence are common charactersitics in those whose duty it is to pass on our cultural and intellectual institutions.
If this is indeed simply an effort to deter Alterman’s cult following from reading Victor Davis Hanson’s books it demonstrates the petty nature of those who have that intent. Those among that group that are thinking human beings will ask themselves ‘is that what VDH really said?’ This small number will read the book and come to their own conclusions. The majority will simply believe…those that have been to college and believed what they were told there will have their incurable ignorance reinforced.
What is one supposed to think when those, such as Bateman, that should know better because they are ‘educated’ (really just having a college degree, which is much more common than actually being educated) use a public forum to propagate thoughtlessness, misunderstanding, and ignorance?
Nov 3, 2007 - 11:58 pm