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		<title>By: Massive Link Dump &#171; The Quantum Conservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>Massive Link Dump &#171; The Quantum Conservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 20:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 04:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are conservatives always being accused of hypocricy, but not leftists and liberals? Of ocurse tribalism plays a part, as other posters here suggest; leftists are all too happy to overlook character flaws and moral lapses in those on &quot;their&quot; team. An equally important reason is that conservatives generally aspire to rigorous moral and intellectual standards; leftists generally make no such claims. Leftists set the bar low, and in clearing it, proclaim their superiority. Conservatives set a higher standard, and in occasionally failing to reach it, are derided as phonies, hypocrits, and failed moralists. Because we have standards, we will always suffer the charge of hypocricy when we fail.  


One of the &quot;beauties&quot; of political correctness and moral relativism, is that both are perpetual &quot;Get out of jail free&quot; cards, that excuse any and all behaviors, with one exception - becoming a member of the opposition, becoming a conservative. This prohibition applies doubly if one is a white, or female, or of a protected minority (black, homosexual, etc.).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are conservatives always being accused of hypocricy, but not leftists and liberals? Of ocurse tribalism plays a part, as other posters here suggest; leftists are all too happy to overlook character flaws and moral lapses in those on &#8220;their&#8221; team. An equally important reason is that conservatives generally aspire to rigorous moral and intellectual standards; leftists generally make no such claims. Leftists set the bar low, and in clearing it, proclaim their superiority. Conservatives set a higher standard, and in occasionally failing to reach it, are derided as phonies, hypocrits, and failed moralists. Because we have standards, we will always suffer the charge of hypocricy when we fail.  </p>
<p>One of the &#8220;beauties&#8221; of political correctness and moral relativism, is that both are perpetual &#8220;Get out of jail free&#8221; cards, that excuse any and all behaviors, with one exception &#8211; becoming a member of the opposition, becoming a conservative. This prohibition applies doubly if one is a white, or female, or of a protected minority (black, homosexual, etc.).</p>
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		<title>By: lefty</title>
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		<dc:creator>lefty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 02:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, lets see...

dems can go poking around in dark places, even produce children, and they&#039;re &quot;good ole boys&quot;..nasty women for leading &#039;em on..

a republican does that and he&#039;s the &quot;son of evil&quot;... blahblahblah..

The world thinks we&#039;re stupid and we prove it everyday...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, lets see&#8230;</p>
<p>dems can go poking around in dark places, even produce children, and they&#8217;re &#8220;good ole boys&#8221;..nasty women for leading &#8216;em on..</p>
<p>a republican does that and he&#8217;s the &#8220;son of evil&#8221;&#8230; blahblahblah..</p>
<p>The world thinks we&#8217;re stupid and we prove it everyday&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: J Milam</title>
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		<dc:creator>J Milam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 12:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From &quot;Dave&quot; @ #2:  &lt;i&gt;&quot;There is nothing you can do about my choices in this matter. Not now, not ever. You are helpless and impotent to control my thoughts, conclusions and comments. REmember that and learn to accept it.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Thank you very much, sir.  For therein lies the rub for so many.  I can willfully and almost happily accept that not everyone thinks as I do.  We all have different experiences and, due to our psychological make-up, have all reacted differently to them.  I CAN accept that.  There are far too many people that CAN&#039;T.  They want you to not only accept that they&#039;re of a different mind, you must embrace it and, for reasons they can never provide, you must admit aloud that their conclusions are the correct ones.  Their message is: if you feel differently, your best bet is to just keep it to yourself lest you attract their ire, which almost always will eventually lead to their appeal to someone or some group with enough power to punish you for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From &#8220;Dave&#8221; @ #2:  <i>&#8220;There is nothing you can do about my choices in this matter. Not now, not ever. You are helpless and impotent to control my thoughts, conclusions and comments. REmember that and learn to accept it.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Thank you very much, sir.  For therein lies the rub for so many.  I can willfully and almost happily accept that not everyone thinks as I do.  We all have different experiences and, due to our psychological make-up, have all reacted differently to them.  I CAN accept that.  There are far too many people that CAN&#8217;T.  They want you to not only accept that they&#8217;re of a different mind, you must embrace it and, for reasons they can never provide, you must admit aloud that their conclusions are the correct ones.  Their message is: if you feel differently, your best bet is to just keep it to yourself lest you attract their ire, which almost always will eventually lead to their appeal to someone or some group with enough power to punish you for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 07:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Jack Marcotte,
Maybe the holes in my head are too large and all encompassing for me to understand your position, but I must dispute at least one of your suggestions.
&quot;Marxist liberals are somewhat like a “cult organism”, they have to be because in order to work all have to agree. Thus all who don’t agree are killed off—eventually.&quot;
I feel the need to quote Will Rogers, &quot;I am not a member of any organized party — I am a Democrat.&quot;
The idea that left leaning folks are as lock stepped as you suggest seems to me an illusion.  If anyone is kicking out heretics these days it is folks like Rush Limbaugh and conservatives of his ilk.  
I would encourage you to be less opaque and more persuasive and a little more forgiving of others faults.
Good Luck Jack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Jack Marcotte,<br />
Maybe the holes in my head are too large and all encompassing for me to understand your position, but I must dispute at least one of your suggestions.<br />
&#8220;Marxist liberals are somewhat like a “cult organism”, they have to be because in order to work all have to agree. Thus all who don’t agree are killed off—eventually.&#8221;<br />
I feel the need to quote Will Rogers, &#8220;I am not a member of any organized party — I am a Democrat.&#8221;<br />
The idea that left leaning folks are as lock stepped as you suggest seems to me an illusion.  If anyone is kicking out heretics these days it is folks like Rush Limbaugh and conservatives of his ilk.<br />
I would encourage you to be less opaque and more persuasive and a little more forgiving of others faults.<br />
Good Luck Jack.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles R. Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles R. Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 16:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adultery is wrong and we have powerful inclinations to do it. They are so powerful that we need all the support of public opinion, the media, our laws, our customs, religion and education in morality to restrain ourselves. People fail. When they do we need to be forgiving and understanding but immediately remove them from high office and any position of moral authority.

It is not hypocrisy for someone who believes all this to fail himself - especially in a world where traditional morality is continually undermined. Nor does it discredit the position he advocates. What is hypocrisy is not to resign immediately and play on public sympathy hoping to stay in office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adultery is wrong and we have powerful inclinations to do it. They are so powerful that we need all the support of public opinion, the media, our laws, our customs, religion and education in morality to restrain ourselves. People fail. When they do we need to be forgiving and understanding but immediately remove them from high office and any position of moral authority.</p>
<p>It is not hypocrisy for someone who believes all this to fail himself &#8211; especially in a world where traditional morality is continually undermined. Nor does it discredit the position he advocates. What is hypocrisy is not to resign immediately and play on public sympathy hoping to stay in office.</p>
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		<title>By: Teacher in Texas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teacher in Texas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 16:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well stated Professor.  I have often argued that point about the blinkers that the left puts on for their heroes.

It all seems to get back to, &quot;But they mean well&quot; and so liberal/Democratic politicians get a lot more slack.  

&quot;Well Obama&#039;s going to quadruple the defecit, but at least he&#039;s trying....&quot;

I teach with a woman who is a very well-meaning, moderate, liberal Democrat.  Once we were discussing Stalin&#039;s mass-starvation of the Ukranians, the great untold Holocaust of the 20th century, and I restated my oft made point that we were allied with a mass murderer to defeat Hitler, who made HItler look like an amateur.

Her take on Stalin. A slight frown creased her face and she said, &quot;Well he did some good things AND some bad things.&quot;

It was all I could do to keep from laughing in her face.  I would not want to do that because I do value her as a friend and co worker.

&quot;Some bad things?&quot;  I responded.  &quot;I guess you could say the same thing about Hitler, I mean hey he got Germany out of the Depression faster than we did.&quot;

Rather than get into an argument I ended it with something like &quot;the were both monsters.&quot;

Oh this teacher also explained the &quot;Che phenomonon to me.  She is in her fiftes and told me that growing up as a Cold War child she always thought that the Communists were these ugly, monsters and Che was really good looking.  (I kid you not!  The Seventeen Magazine approach to mass murderers.  He Che was cute)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well stated Professor.  I have often argued that point about the blinkers that the left puts on for their heroes.</p>
<p>It all seems to get back to, &#8220;But they mean well&#8221; and so liberal/Democratic politicians get a lot more slack.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Well Obama&#8217;s going to quadruple the defecit, but at least he&#8217;s trying&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>I teach with a woman who is a very well-meaning, moderate, liberal Democrat.  Once we were discussing Stalin&#8217;s mass-starvation of the Ukranians, the great untold Holocaust of the 20th century, and I restated my oft made point that we were allied with a mass murderer to defeat Hitler, who made HItler look like an amateur.</p>
<p>Her take on Stalin. A slight frown creased her face and she said, &#8220;Well he did some good things AND some bad things.&#8221;</p>
<p>It was all I could do to keep from laughing in her face.  I would not want to do that because I do value her as a friend and co worker.</p>
<p>&#8220;Some bad things?&#8221;  I responded.  &#8220;I guess you could say the same thing about Hitler, I mean hey he got Germany out of the Depression faster than we did.&#8221;</p>
<p>Rather than get into an argument I ended it with something like &#8220;the were both monsters.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh this teacher also explained the &#8220;Che phenomonon to me.  She is in her fiftes and told me that growing up as a Cold War child she always thought that the Communists were these ugly, monsters and Che was really good looking.  (I kid you not!  The Seventeen Magazine approach to mass murderers.  He Che was cute)</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Marcotte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Marcotte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 14:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Essential vdh

#82 Joseph:  “Sorry about that” To not be understood at all has to be worse than being misunderstood. The debate then is how much is due to your lack of insight and how much is due to my bad thinking and writing--as I also review it after it cools off.

A hint--it is not airy fairy. It is incomplete because one can’t write a book on this &quot;stuff&quot;.  It says what it means: that this particular situation for America, in this time and place is much more dangerous than what the circumstances and processes are being described as.

We are not talking simply about differences of opinion between two “voters” in the street.  Remember Joe the Plumber and what happened. Wheels began to turn.

The limited two dimensions are simply the mind &quot;screens&quot; of &quot;liberal&quot; thought and &quot;conservative&quot; thought. We are dealing with human brains that are very much alike whether liberal or conservative.

I am saying in part that the mind &quot;screens&quot; of the liberal has such big holes in them they are more likely to become cogs in a very vicious wheel of human destruction as history has proven.

Marxist liberalism, the true name of being liberal based on the politics of BHO, does not work and has never worked no matter what it has been called down through the ages.  It does however destroy humans in all ways . It is the ultimate perfumed scorpion.  

Why do not Marxist liberals who seem to pride themselves on their “intelligence” know this?  It is a factual matter of history and it is not new thinking but a product of subversive indoctrination delivered in the “perfumed” language of Utopian thinking.   

Thus liberals have “big holes” in the brain that they maintain to be able to “forget” selectively.  Marxist liberals are somewhat like a “cult organism”, they have to be because in order to work all have to agree.  Thus all who don’t agree are killed off---eventually.  

Marxist liberals would be better described in the animal world as being like ants in an anthill.  This is understood when one looks at how ants work.  It is an almost perfect fit for the reactions of liberals to an outside “threat” to their “ideology”.    

There is something left out in all of the writings as I have pointed out and it is needed to see this in the proper way.  I did not explain that and will not explain it.  To have any value it must be done with self discovery and contemplation, along with coming to a conclusion that you will act on.  All else is daydreaming.      

Self discovery of situational and universal “truths” is very difficult thing to do today because we are continually being bombarded by the chit chat chaff of the MSM and even blogs like this.   This is to the extent that very little worthwhile thought is available to those who do not and cannot think for themselves.  

Since this chaff takes up space in the holes of the mind it is not beneficial.  Americans do not think any where near as clearly now as our forefathers did.  A growing and subversive process and menace to the USA and Americans.   

It is up to you to reverse this mindlessnes within you own thinking process.   You however will not likely do it.  A fish has very little likelyhood of being able to “change” his water.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Essential vdh</p>
<p>#82 Joseph:  “Sorry about that” To not be understood at all has to be worse than being misunderstood. The debate then is how much is due to your lack of insight and how much is due to my bad thinking and writing&#8211;as I also review it after it cools off.</p>
<p>A hint&#8211;it is not airy fairy. It is incomplete because one can’t write a book on this &#8220;stuff&#8221;.  It says what it means: that this particular situation for America, in this time and place is much more dangerous than what the circumstances and processes are being described as.</p>
<p>We are not talking simply about differences of opinion between two “voters” in the street.  Remember Joe the Plumber and what happened. Wheels began to turn.</p>
<p>The limited two dimensions are simply the mind &#8220;screens&#8221; of &#8220;liberal&#8221; thought and &#8220;conservative&#8221; thought. We are dealing with human brains that are very much alike whether liberal or conservative.</p>
<p>I am saying in part that the mind &#8220;screens&#8221; of the liberal has such big holes in them they are more likely to become cogs in a very vicious wheel of human destruction as history has proven.</p>
<p>Marxist liberalism, the true name of being liberal based on the politics of BHO, does not work and has never worked no matter what it has been called down through the ages.  It does however destroy humans in all ways . It is the ultimate perfumed scorpion.  </p>
<p>Why do not Marxist liberals who seem to pride themselves on their “intelligence” know this?  It is a factual matter of history and it is not new thinking but a product of subversive indoctrination delivered in the “perfumed” language of Utopian thinking.   </p>
<p>Thus liberals have “big holes” in the brain that they maintain to be able to “forget” selectively.  Marxist liberals are somewhat like a “cult organism”, they have to be because in order to work all have to agree.  Thus all who don’t agree are killed off&#8212;eventually.  </p>
<p>Marxist liberals would be better described in the animal world as being like ants in an anthill.  This is understood when one looks at how ants work.  It is an almost perfect fit for the reactions of liberals to an outside “threat” to their “ideology”.    </p>
<p>There is something left out in all of the writings as I have pointed out and it is needed to see this in the proper way.  I did not explain that and will not explain it.  To have any value it must be done with self discovery and contemplation, along with coming to a conclusion that you will act on.  All else is daydreaming.      </p>
<p>Self discovery of situational and universal “truths” is very difficult thing to do today because we are continually being bombarded by the chit chat chaff of the MSM and even blogs like this.   This is to the extent that very little worthwhile thought is available to those who do not and cannot think for themselves.  </p>
<p>Since this chaff takes up space in the holes of the mind it is not beneficial.  Americans do not think any where near as clearly now as our forefathers did.  A growing and subversive process and menace to the USA and Americans.   </p>
<p>It is up to you to reverse this mindlessnes within you own thinking process.   You however will not likely do it.  A fish has very little likelyhood of being able to “change” his water.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Malone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Malone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 03:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#79 TLM - The answer to your question is simple.  We conervatives get our values from traditional sources.  Our religions are the usual suspects.  They form the basis for our values.

  Liberals, on the other hand, have their politics as their religion.  Being good and devout means adhering to the Party line.  You can do all kinds of unethical things and still be &quot;moral&quot; according to their faith, because you&#039;re devoted to &quot;The Cause&quot;.  Typical cult stuff.  Standards of decency go out the window.  It&#039;s a sad morality, but there is no hypocrisy, per se.

  It&#039;s like with Islam.  It is okay to lie to the Infidel.  It is also okay to slay the Apostate.  Nothing amoral about it.  In fact, it is demanded and highly moral.  Killing innocents?  What of that?  Nothing wrong with such collateral damage of Jihad.  The moral standards are simply different, based on one&#039;s faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#79 TLM &#8211; The answer to your question is simple.  We conervatives get our values from traditional sources.  Our religions are the usual suspects.  They form the basis for our values.</p>
<p>  Liberals, on the other hand, have their politics as their religion.  Being good and devout means adhering to the Party line.  You can do all kinds of unethical things and still be &#8220;moral&#8221; according to their faith, because you&#8217;re devoted to &#8220;The Cause&#8221;.  Typical cult stuff.  Standards of decency go out the window.  It&#8217;s a sad morality, but there is no hypocrisy, per se.</p>
<p>  It&#8217;s like with Islam.  It is okay to lie to the Infidel.  It is also okay to slay the Apostate.  Nothing amoral about it.  In fact, it is demanded and highly moral.  Killing innocents?  What of that?  Nothing wrong with such collateral damage of Jihad.  The moral standards are simply different, based on one&#8217;s faith.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Malone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Malone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 03:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#70 sheesh - C&#039;mon, now.  &quot;One guy&quot; meant one among tens of millions.  I never cheated on my wife.  Same is true of the vast majority of Conservatives.

  Btw, what is this Malvo you keep calling me.  I know there&#039;s a city in Sweden(?) by that name, but I doubt you&#039;re referring to that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#70 sheesh &#8211; C&#8217;mon, now.  &#8220;One guy&#8221; meant one among tens of millions.  I never cheated on my wife.  Same is true of the vast majority of Conservatives.</p>
<p>  Btw, what is this Malvo you keep calling me.  I know there&#8217;s a city in Sweden(?) by that name, but I doubt you&#8217;re referring to that?</p>
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