When MS constantly berates our elites and neocons for being willing to ally this country with Israel, I guess I’m too dense to understand where he’s coming from.

When he states as fact that friendship with Israel can offer us no advantage at all and is, in fact, an albatross about the neck of the USA; once again I guess I just don’t grasp his superior insight.

This statement in his book “Marching Into Hell,” refers to The Al-Qaeda Reader: “The selection of documents from the al-Qaeda archive is small and selective; meant to support Neoconservative scare mongering about the caliphate and the rising tide of Islamofascism; and introduced and endorsed by the Neocons’ history-is-what-I-say-it-is spokesman, Victor Davis Hanson. While Neocons have long identified the publication and wide distribution of al-Qaeda documents as tantamount to supporting terrorism, Hanson now endorses their publication in an unscholarly form that will mislead Americans about their enemies’ intentions and motivations.” Golly, I guess that puts things in perspective doesn’t it? I now grasp that he understands history better than VDH and is, in his small way, trying to protect we sheeple from being mislead.

Your comments have certainly straightened me out. Thanks.

We finally found one on the AmericanThinker site. His speech proclaims that “we cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the National Security objective that we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that is just as powerful, just as strong, and just as well funded…people of all ages, stations, and skills will be asked to serve…it will be a central cause of my presidency”…

The whole thing is one of the scariest things I have ever heard –reduce our armed forces, not allow any nuclear, and on and on, and he would be in charge of this mess. It would add more government, and billions more to the budget.

Maybe it was removed because he was due to leave the country on his Iraq/
Europe tour with his entourage and several top reporters (so they could report on his every move).Might not be so good if a big flap ensued while he was gone.

Needless to say, the primary reaction of the comments that followed the video were liberally (no pun intended) sprinkled with words like ‘brown shirts’, Marxist, etc

Is it OK to listen in to the conversation of Jews, Arabs, Whites, Blacks, or extraterrestrials when they phone home?

Something is not “straightforward” unless it comes directly from the author’s own writings. For you, to tell me what VDH says, Scheuer says, about him, is far from being “pretty straightforward” and amounts to little more than a bad game of telephone.

Again, your statement concerning Scheuer speaking about a “vast Jewish conspriracy . . .” is very revealing. Please tell me on what page in any of his books he uses those exact words: “vast Jewish conspiracy.” If you cannot, this statment says much more about the filter of your own mind than anything MS has, in actuality, said about the US-Israel relationship.

“Do I have such evidence?” Of course not, I never said Israel was any of those things. Perhaps you should go back and re-read the portion of my comment concerning Israel if you have any further questions. Again, speaks volumes about your reading . . .

Stop interpreting what I have said, MS has said, VDH says, and everyone else for that matter; interpretation is not reading and says much more about the interpreter than it does the author.

Do I agree with the ad hominem remarks Michael Scheuer has made about VDH? Again, No. Do I agree with the ad hominem remarks VDH has made about Michael Scheuer in retaliation? No. Neither do us any good or further constructive debate on the issues. However, Michael Scheuer sometimes resorting to unbecoming bombastic remarks does not discredit him as a legitimate source of information on US national security policy; in the same vain, because VDH sometimes resorts to similar bombastic language, this does not discredit him as a good source of perspective on current policy issues. By your criteria, just as easily as you call MS a “conspiracy theorist” you could call VDH the same. Neither I think is correct.

Jewish interest groups do hold a lot of sway in this country but not in some crazy ‘conspiratorial’ way. Any group that has influence in our country should be watched regardless of whether they are Jewish, Arab, White, Black, extraterrestrial, etc. Interst groups are as American as ‘apple pie’ and go back to our Founding; watching interest groups and checking power is even more American than ‘apple pie’ and should continue steadfastly as well.

Reading some good history and not just op-ed pieces or political punditry can go a long way.

The US brokered Oslo agreement made Israel give thousands of weapons and ammunition to Arafat.

It’s my understanding that President Clinton invited Arafat to the White House many times and Arafat’s group received 10 billion dollars and euros during the 90’s.

US pressure stopped further Israeli retaliation in the recent war in the north after Hizbullah started it by attacking and kidnapping Israeli soldiers.

In George H.W.’s war, Israel sat still while over 50 scuds dropped on it because Israel’s friendship with the US has conditions.

Those that think wind farms are to reduce CO2 and reduce energy costs and create more usable power that equals their installed capacity think again.

They have been structured as tax shelters. Look at who is setting them up. Wind energy only makes operational sense under certain conditions. An isolated farm or ranch or some one trying to make themselves “feel good green” can play with a “windmill” and storage batteries with inverters to provide a stable source of power.

Any knowledgeable electrical engineer who understands how the electrical power grid across the US works knows that Wind energy is another boondoggle. Even when there is wind it is variable and thus the output is variable.

Does anyone doubt that the existing electrical grid capacity will still have to be maintained at its existing size and continue to grow to cover even the wind “energy” component much less population and business growth.

Try shaving in the morning with an electric razor with variable voltage and amperage. So you use a straight razor.

Try running a factory and 300+ horsepower high voltage motors on wind energy electrical power. You get the point.

What happens to the electrical generating industries’ capital when they have to pay for energy from a Wind farm. They still have to maintain capital investments in for sure(nuc,oil, gas) power plants and now they are expected to pay for some wind blown schemes that may produce power only during part of the day, sometimes not at all and variable.–but they still have to pay for it just because when the wind blows the meter is running and our PC but ignorant Congress dictates this. Don’t worry it will all be paid through our rate structures at home and at the office.

T.B Pickens may be a nice guy but with all of that “cheap” west Texas cactus land he bought why do you think he wants to put up Wind power. To create the tax shelters he needs for income from Oil.

Since oil investments have no home in America and still no answer from Congress what else is a smart man to do and look good doing it for the ignorant green movement.

The extent of knowlege of 90% of the green movement today is to paint their logos green. And sit under green banners. The operative words are sit and rant.

The center beams of America will begin to pull apart when all most people in America know how to do is to sit and rant and look for handouts.

Algore is an embarrassment to America’s past, common sense and science and if he represents the future there will be no America.

Algore endorsed Obama and now we should expect leadership not from merit but from affirmative action with its roots in political corruption and extortion.

It used to be that by the 5th or 6th grade Americans knew that the entire biological world, thus the entire world, is based on CO2 serving as energy for plants. It is such a small and critical part of the atmosphere it can be and has been a much bigger part.

The entire biological system is based on a CO2 cycle that depended on fire. Do any care to calculate what the great plains prairie looked like when it burned as part of the plant cycle needed for its continued “rebirth” and growth as needed before it was plowed under.

The entire Great Plains prairie and Forests from sea to shining sea had to depend on fire for its very existance. It evolved that way the very life cycle of plants depended on it.

More CO2 was produced then than now where all fires are put out. Essentially there are now no fires. The tonnage burned as part of nature far exceeded what we put into the air now.

Before the Great plains became farm land it is conceivable that fires as large as Kansas burned at any one time over the plains to put nutrients back into the soil and CO2 back into the air providing a burst of growth not seen anymore anywhere in the world, nor seen since.

When it wasn’t burned it was eaten primarily by bison who digested it and of course produced CO2 and water, along with fats, proteins, utilizing the minerals for complex biological processes. Thus the cycle turned.

My Grandfather was born in 1895 and saw the Kansas prairies before they were plowed under. They lived with the threat of fires and were prepared to protect their homestead buildings but knew the fires were necessary for the land. They saw the benefits first hand. Fighting fire with fire made perfect sense to them.

An Algore would have sounded like an idiot to those settlers just as he should now. Anyone who has seen the rebirth of land after a fire knows that it is part of the cycle of life. Certain trees and plants cannot even reproduce themselves without fire. CH4 + O2—2H20 + CO2

The Green movement is now talking about how to stop cows from “gassing or belching” Amazing. Idiots all.

Think or read independantly before you run with the herd over the cliff- and you damn well better vote.

Dr. Hanson wrote this: “In his latest blast, he includes me with a list of those who he claims have “dual loyalties” to the United States, and suggests that writing for National Review and the Wall Street Journal is typical of a “fifth column” who in traitorous fashion have essentially sold out the interest of the United States on behalf of Israel.”

That seems pretty straightforward to me. In reading his book, “Imperial Hubris,” I was struck by Scheur’s belief that there is a vast Jewish conspiracy that is manipulating the U.S. government to our detriment. His only evidence, as far as I can tell is that we are a long-term, reliable ally of Israel. Beyond that I have seen no proof of the conspiracy or “fifth column” he refers to. Do you have such evidence? If so, I think you should post it here for all to see. In the absence of concrete evidence, I count MS as a conspiracy theorist who has simply read too many old John Birch Society tracts.

“What exactely do [I] know about the CIA?” Well, what exactly do you know about the CIA? Hopefully the silliness of this retort is not lost on you . . .

MS served our country by serving in the CIA for 20 years. Until I hear from reputable sources that he didn’t serve honorably I give him — as well as our brave men and women in the armed forces — the benefit of the doubt. Were we to follow your faulty logic using “Valerie” and “her husband” as examples, it should be doubted whether our men and women in the military serve honorably as well. That is to say, because a few members of our military have been involved in scandals or engaged in dishonorable acts, it should be doubted that other memebers of our military have served honorably. Again, silly . . .

Your next set of arguments — with its how-do-you-like-them-apples-conclusion — amounts to little more than: Why isn’t the CIA perfect? I guess you got me there; I am certain that MS and his lousy good-fur-nuthin CIA did nothing to protect our country in those 20 years.

If there is one thing I enjoy about Dr. Hanson’s writings, it is that he consistently warns us about the siren calls of utopian perfectionism: “Because something isn’t perfect doesn’t mean that it isn’t still good.” You would do well to heed this advice and stop Monday-Morning-Quarterbacking men who are actually in the arena.

The last part of your diatribe is unfortunately so incoherent I cannot respond to it.

MS, to my knowledge, never called VDH a member of a “Zionist conspiracy” or of being a “puppet of another country to the detriment of the USA.” If he did, I couldn’t disagree with him more on this — VDH is none of those things. MS questions influential government officials and academics (this is where VDH comes in) seemingly unconditional support for the state of Israel and the judiciousness of policies resulting form this support. That’s his position. Whether or not this is an accurate portrayal of the administration or VDH each can decide for themselves. I don’t believe it is, I support Israel, but I do think we should constantly reassess the degree of our involvement in the region. That is what democratic debate is all about.

So go on, don’t take someone who spent the better part of his life dedicated to ensuring the security of this country — however imperfectly — seriously. I’m sure he has earned such gratitude.

MS didn’t just disagree with VDH, he accused VDH of being part of a Zionist conspiracy. He accused VDH of being a puppet of another country to the detriment of the USA. The accusation is a lie. MS is lying about our favorite professor.

’served our country honorably for 20 years in the CIA’ you say. What exactly do you know about the CIA? What goes on in that place anyway? We know a goofball named Valerie used to work there. She made up stories too with her husband just like MS. What was Saddam going to do with that ton of yellowcake they just evacuated? And why didn’t the CIA know that foreign terrorists were going to ram the World Trade Towers? Why didn’t MS do anything in his 20 years to prevent that?

MS ‘presents himself as composed, well spoken.’ He’s always seemed smug and condescending to me. Before I learned that he was after VDH. I think, like the Newsweek guy and now MS, should they ever get their name in a magazine using the VDH brand, more people will read their silly screeds.

There’s a lot of people we can take seriously. MS isn’t one.