Comments on: The Problem is not conservatism, but conservatives who aren’t conservative http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/the-problem-is-not-conservatism-but-conservatives-who-arent-conservative/ Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:43:05 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: ShaunKenney.com » VDH: The Problem is not conservatism… http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/the-problem-is-not-conservatism-but-conservatives-who-arent-conservative/comment-page-2/#comment-23476 ShaunKenney.com » VDH: The Problem is not conservatism… Sat, 27 Jun 2009 10:58:20 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/the-problem-is-not-conservatism-but-conservatives-who-arent-conservative/#comment-23476 [...] … it’s conservatives who aren’t conservative download apartment the dvdrip , as author Victor Davis Hanson explains. [...] [...] … it’s conservatives who aren’t conservative download apartment the dvdrip , as author Victor Davis Hanson explains. [...]

]]> By: Brian http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/the-problem-is-not-conservatism-but-conservatives-who-arent-conservative/comment-page-2/#comment-15357 Brian Thu, 07 May 2009 23:00:12 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/the-problem-is-not-conservatism-but-conservatives-who-arent-conservative/#comment-15357 Lets get something in the open here that hasn't been said before and is needing to be. A staunch, inflexible position of a balanced budget no matter what will do greater harm to this county's economic system in the long run than one can imagine. FACT: most economists believe a government needs to engage in deficit spending during times of recession and depression and move towards a budget surplus in fiscal policy during times of inflation to help curb it. The government in the U.S. borrows money to finance its debt. Though most will say to be afraid that currently China owns a lot of our debt(that sort of makes me a little nervous too) it's unlikely that, given their recent moves to a little more capitalistic economy and a greater dependence on foreign economies, China will ever call in enough of that debt at one time to do any harm. You say were making great progress in our wars. What have we gained except a reputation for invading countries at our whim on made-up pretenses, a more odious presence in the middle east(to them), the reputation for being the bullies, a legacy of torture(no matter if you want to admit that or not),and control over the oil reserves. Our reputation has been severely damaged around the world, the gap between rich and poor is the largest its ever been, unemployment is at near- record levels, even with the more conservative way of measuring than we had during the Great Depression, we have conservatives in Texas wanting to secede. Tell us, please, what have you done for this country and why should we trust anyone who willingly wears the conservative label with the future of this country???? Lets get something in the open here that hasn’t been said before and is needing to be. A staunch, inflexible position of a balanced budget no matter what will do greater harm to this county’s economic system in the long run than one can imagine. FACT: most economists believe a government needs to engage in deficit spending during times of recession and depression and move towards a budget surplus in fiscal policy during times of inflation to help curb it. The government in the U.S. borrows money to finance its debt. Though most will say to be afraid that currently China owns a lot of our debt(that sort of makes me a little nervous too) it’s unlikely that, given their recent moves to a little more capitalistic economy and a greater dependence on foreign economies, China will ever call in enough of that debt at one time to do any harm.
You say were making great progress in our wars. What have we gained except a reputation for invading countries at our whim on made-up pretenses, a more odious presence in the middle east(to them), the reputation for being the bullies, a legacy of torture(no matter if you want to admit that or not),and control over the oil reserves.
Our reputation has been severely damaged around the world, the gap between rich and poor is the largest its ever been, unemployment is at near- record levels, even with the more conservative way of measuring than we had during the Great Depression, we have conservatives in Texas wanting to secede. Tell us, please, what have you done for this country and why should we trust anyone who willingly wears the conservative label with the future of this country????

]]> By: John http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/the-problem-is-not-conservatism-but-conservatives-who-arent-conservative/comment-page-2/#comment-6716 John Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:34:00 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/the-problem-is-not-conservatism-but-conservatives-who-arent-conservative/#comment-6716 George Bush is a moron, and the Republicans in Congress are morally and ethically corrupt. The party will get exactly what it deserves in 2008, and if there is justice in the world, the party will not control the White House or Congress for the next 50 years. If Obama and his crew are a peril to the United States, we have only the Republicans to blame, for having driven the country to such desperation that electing Obama seemed preferable. George Bush is a moron, and the Republicans in Congress are morally and ethically corrupt. The party will get exactly what it deserves in 2008, and if there is justice in the world, the party will not control the White House or Congress for the next 50 years. If Obama and his crew are a peril to the United States, we have only the Republicans to blame, for having driven the country to such desperation that electing Obama seemed preferable.

]]> By: One Fine Jay » Long, deep breaths http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/the-problem-is-not-conservatism-but-conservatives-who-arent-conservative/comment-page-2/#comment-6342 One Fine Jay » Long, deep breaths Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:32:07 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/the-problem-is-not-conservatism-but-conservatives-who-arent-conservative/#comment-6342 [...] should look at it this way: she is the only conservative running in the race. Primary voters chose McCain because they thought that a Centrist could win an election against a [...] [...] should look at it this way: she is the only conservative running in the race. Primary voters chose McCain because they thought that a Centrist could win an election against a [...]

]]> By: larryo http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/the-problem-is-not-conservatism-but-conservatives-who-arent-conservative/comment-page-2/#comment-3459 larryo Sun, 08 Jun 2008 17:35:31 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/the-problem-is-not-conservatism-but-conservatives-who-arent-conservative/#comment-3459 Want to stop illegal immigration? All that's necessary is a one-year federal mandatory minimum sentence for anyone who hires an undocumented alien for domestic purposes and a two-year federal mandatory minimum sentence for anyone who hires an undocumented alien in a commercial enterprise. No jobs - problem solved! But you cannot support that, can you? Mandatory minimum sentences are great for potheads but not for businessmen and the wives of the rich, isn't that right? Conservatives my ass - you are morons - authoritarian followers without a brain cell working. What about this: "Afghanistan and Iraq have radically improved." Boy, they sure have. The Taliban has retaken significant lost ground, the violence in Iraq is at a record peak and you call that "improvement." Want to stop illegal immigration? All that’s necessary is a one-year federal mandatory minimum sentence for anyone who hires an undocumented alien for domestic purposes and a two-year federal mandatory minimum sentence for anyone who hires an undocumented alien in a commercial enterprise. No jobs – problem solved!

But you cannot support that, can you? Mandatory minimum sentences are great for potheads but not for businessmen and the wives of the rich, isn’t that right?

Conservatives my ass – you are morons – authoritarian followers without a brain cell working. What about this:

“Afghanistan and Iraq have radically improved.”

Boy, they sure have. The Taliban has retaken significant lost ground, the violence in Iraq is at a record peak and you call that “improvement.”

]]> By: A Rare Political Comment - Desert Rat - The Premier Hunting and Fishing Blog of the Southwest! http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/the-problem-is-not-conservatism-but-conservatives-who-arent-conservative/comment-page-2/#comment-3222 A Rare Political Comment - Desert Rat - The Premier Hunting and Fishing Blog of the Southwest! Sat, 24 May 2008 02:39:50 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/the-problem-is-not-conservatism-but-conservatives-who-arent-conservative/#comment-3222 [...] his site HERE A Simple Conservative [...] [...] his site HERE A Simple Conservative [...]

]]> By: Mark http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/the-problem-is-not-conservatism-but-conservatives-who-arent-conservative/comment-page-2/#comment-3217 Mark Fri, 23 May 2008 07:06:03 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/the-problem-is-not-conservatism-but-conservatives-who-arent-conservative/#comment-3217 > I’m having a bit of trouble with your logic. Can you explain to me how many tourists and business folks are wading across the Rio Grande … If, as you see to say, large numbers of American tourists and businesses are using these unconventional methods to cross the US/Mexico border .. OsoGrizzly: On second thought, since I'm out tomorrow I may not get back to this thread. So let me just say that it is generally considered a fact that near half of illegal immigrants came here legally. I have no idea why you think I meant that tourists and businessmen wade across the river. Obviously, 50% of all illegals walk, drive, and fly across just like everyone else. That's the point, and I only mentioned this because most people have no idea. But if you've lived on the border and crossed extensively to work, shop, etc., you'd know about visas, visa waivers, international treaties, local border crossing cards, and more. All to say that those who propose to solve the problem of illegal crossings with no real knowledge of the subject are ... well, when you don't know that you don't know ... the problem does seem easy to solve doesn't it? > I’m having a bit of trouble with your logic. Can you explain to me how many tourists and business folks are wading across the Rio Grande … If, as you see to say, large numbers of American tourists and businesses are using these unconventional methods to cross the US/Mexico border ..

OsoGrizzly: On second thought, since I’m out tomorrow I may not get back to this thread. So let me just say that it is generally considered a fact that near half of illegal immigrants came here legally. I have no idea why you think I meant that tourists and businessmen wade across the river. Obviously, 50% of all illegals walk, drive, and fly across just like everyone else. That’s the point, and I only mentioned this because most people have no idea. But if you’ve lived on the border and crossed extensively to work, shop, etc., you’d know about visas, visa waivers, international treaties, local border crossing cards, and more. All to say that those who propose to solve the problem of illegal crossings with no real knowledge of the subject are … well, when you don’t know that you don’t know … the problem does seem easy to solve doesn’t it?

]]> By: Mark http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/the-problem-is-not-conservatism-but-conservatives-who-arent-conservative/comment-page-2/#comment-3216 Mark Fri, 23 May 2008 06:45:08 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/the-problem-is-not-conservatism-but-conservatives-who-arent-conservative/#comment-3216 > I’m having a bit of trouble with your logic. Can you explain to me how many tourists and business folks are wading across the Rio Grande ... If, as you see to say, large numbers of American tourists and businesses are using these unconventional methods to cross the US/Mexico border .. OsoGrizzly: I have no idea why you think I was claiming this. Could you clarify your point so I can respond? Your sarcasm has obscured it. > I’m having a bit of trouble with your logic. Can you explain to me how many tourists and business folks are wading across the Rio Grande … If, as you see to say, large numbers of American tourists and businesses are using these unconventional methods to cross the US/Mexico border ..

OsoGrizzly: I have no idea why you think I was claiming this. Could you clarify your point so I can respond? Your sarcasm has obscured it.

]]> By: Mark http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/the-problem-is-not-conservatism-but-conservatives-who-arent-conservative/comment-page-2/#comment-3215 Mark Fri, 23 May 2008 06:40:14 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/the-problem-is-not-conservatism-but-conservatives-who-arent-conservative/#comment-3215 > I don’t want to defend my point of view. My main sources for the US history and actual politics are not Hollywood’s films, but Tocqueville, J.-F. Revel, V.D. Hanson, Norman Podhoretz. M. E.: Sorry if I mischaracterized your view, as I think I did now. Bush did bring about a "radical shift" in the sense I think you meant it after rereading your words. Bush did perform a "radical shift", but I only meant to say that it had ample precedent in US history and that the realist/idealist back and forth goes in cycles. If Obama gets in it is hello "realist" school again. Realpolitik really. As a neocon, I hate it. > I don’t want to defend my point of view. My main sources for the US history and actual politics are not Hollywood’s films, but Tocqueville, J.-F. Revel, V.D. Hanson, Norman Podhoretz.

M. E.: Sorry if I mischaracterized your view, as I think I did now. Bush did bring about a “radical shift” in the sense I think you meant it after rereading your words. Bush did perform a “radical shift”, but I only meant to say that it had ample precedent in US history and that the realist/idealist back and forth goes in cycles. If Obama gets in it is hello “realist” school again. Realpolitik really. As a neocon, I hate it.

]]> By: Mark http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/the-problem-is-not-conservatism-but-conservatives-who-arent-conservative/comment-page-2/#comment-3214 Mark Fri, 23 May 2008 06:31:19 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/the-problem-is-not-conservatism-but-conservatives-who-arent-conservative/#comment-3214 > Mark, Dave is correct. I’ve watched separate commercial truck border crossings in operation and know they are able to work efficiently. 49ersweet: Um ... Mark is correct. They are just naturally efficient? This is the feds, you know. I've watched these bureaucrats in action myself, and I'm less than inspired by their performance. And I've regularly seen trucks wait for hours. Apparently others think so too. http://www.swtexaslive.com/node/5724 > Mark, Dave is correct. I’ve watched separate commercial truck border crossings in operation and know they are able to work efficiently.

49ersweet: Um … Mark is correct. They are just naturally efficient? This is the feds, you know. I’ve watched these bureaucrats in action myself, and I’m less than inspired by their performance. And I’ve regularly seen trucks wait for hours. Apparently others think so too.

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