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		<title>By: For what it&#8217;s worth. &#171; Rosita the Prole</title>
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		<dc:creator>For what it&#8217;s worth. &#171; Rosita the Prole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 19:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Victor Davis Hanson writes of this future in a tremendous cri de coeur: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eli Wallach in the &quot;The Magnificent Seven&quot; about the villagers-”If God had not wanted them to be sheared, he wouldn&#039;t have made them sheep&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eli Wallach in the &#8220;The Magnificent Seven&#8221; about the villagers-”If God had not wanted them to be sheared, he wouldn&#8217;t have made them sheep&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Marcotte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Marcotte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Essential vdh

Buddy Larson @ 157: Good comments on Carlsbaddave.  Who of course is not what He/She says it is.

Of course everyone knows only the Republicans pay taxes, and the Dem&#039;s don&#039;t.  That what he/she thinks proves his/her bona fides. What an idiot.

Your words and thinking however were wicked in the best sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Essential vdh</p>
<p>Buddy Larson @ 157: Good comments on Carlsbaddave.  Who of course is not what He/She says it is.</p>
<p>Of course everyone knows only the Republicans pay taxes, and the Dem&#8217;s don&#8217;t.  That what he/she thinks proves his/her bona fides. What an idiot.</p>
<p>Your words and thinking however were wicked in the best sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Al Reasin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al Reasin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 18:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#156:  &quot;The best bet to nip it in the bud, fast, is the Constitution.&quot;  The 1st Amendment works.  I agree but we need to be proactive and do what MLK and the early unions did.  Let us get in their collective faces at the district offices as I and a few others have done and help educate our citizens as well.  It was amazing the number of people I have talked to in 8 days of picketing who had no idea what cap and trade was until they saw me picketing with my signs and asked me questions.  I give them non partisan facts and links on the Internet from respectable sources.  Another thing is attack congress, not Obama and the Democrats.  Once one gets the citizens&#039; attention, specifics that will impact them can be worked in, but congress controls the purse strings and the enactment of laws which people can readily understand.  This has worked with young, African-American Obama supporters.

On ObamaCare I explain that insurance companies can certainly mismanage benefits and care, but if that occurs we can go to state and federal regulatory agencies, enlist the aid of your state or congressional delegation or sue.  If the US government is your insurer, who do you appeal to over the very same problems and from what we see with the VA and Medicare, your chances of successfully challenging the federal bureaucracy is much more difficult and more limited.  Since the government needs to give consent to be sued, does ObamaCare allow that in writing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#156:  &#8220;The best bet to nip it in the bud, fast, is the Constitution.&#8221;  The 1st Amendment works.  I agree but we need to be proactive and do what MLK and the early unions did.  Let us get in their collective faces at the district offices as I and a few others have done and help educate our citizens as well.  It was amazing the number of people I have talked to in 8 days of picketing who had no idea what cap and trade was until they saw me picketing with my signs and asked me questions.  I give them non partisan facts and links on the Internet from respectable sources.  Another thing is attack congress, not Obama and the Democrats.  Once one gets the citizens&#8217; attention, specifics that will impact them can be worked in, but congress controls the purse strings and the enactment of laws which people can readily understand.  This has worked with young, African-American Obama supporters.</p>
<p>On ObamaCare I explain that insurance companies can certainly mismanage benefits and care, but if that occurs we can go to state and federal regulatory agencies, enlist the aid of your state or congressional delegation or sue.  If the US government is your insurer, who do you appeal to over the very same problems and from what we see with the VA and Medicare, your chances of successfully challenging the federal bureaucracy is much more difficult and more limited.  Since the government needs to give consent to be sued, does ObamaCare allow that in writing?</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Beyon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Beyon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In comment number 7, David Thomson indicated that Texans are experiencing an immigration problem of a new kind: Liberals flee the blue states to their beloved Red State.  

We have the same problem in Arizona.  Californians are coming to our great land and bringing their socialist/statist ideas with them.  How do we keep them out?  Why can&#039;t they stay where are and work to correct the problems of their own making --- instead of polluting Arizona?  It was nice here at one time; now we are being overrun by liberals making a mess wherever they go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In comment number 7, David Thomson indicated that Texans are experiencing an immigration problem of a new kind: Liberals flee the blue states to their beloved Red State.  </p>
<p>We have the same problem in Arizona.  Californians are coming to our great land and bringing their socialist/statist ideas with them.  How do we keep them out?  Why can&#8217;t they stay where are and work to correct the problems of their own making &#8212; instead of polluting Arizona?  It was nice here at one time; now we are being overrun by liberals making a mess wherever they go.</p>
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		<title>By: buddy larsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>buddy larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CarlsbadDave @ #151

&lt;i&gt;I’m a Republican manufacturer and probably pay more in taxes than most of you people make. But I fully support Obama’s efforts to stimulate the economy — which, despite your apocalyptic hysteria, are only temporary.&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;Stop letting other people (like this blogger) do your thinking for you, and go read a newspaper.&lt;/i&gt;

Go read a newspaper?

Pure poetry, CarlsbadDave! Synthesized, in all its radiant glory, right here for our perusal, the &lt;i&gt;essential&lt;/i&gt; Obama acolyte!  

And more!  Here in the merest few words, the illuminated administration, in &lt;i&gt;full&lt;/i&gt; intelligence, sophistication, character, wit, and ambition!

No really, be not afraid, mendacious friend. What you have achieved here is a signal transmission!</description>
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<p><i>I’m a Republican manufacturer and probably pay more in taxes than most of you people make. But I fully support Obama’s efforts to stimulate the economy — which, despite your apocalyptic hysteria, are only temporary.</i></p>
<p><i>Stop letting other people (like this blogger) do your thinking for you, and go read a newspaper.</i></p>
<p>Go read a newspaper?</p>
<p>Pure poetry, CarlsbadDave! Synthesized, in all its radiant glory, right here for our perusal, the <i>essential</i> Obama acolyte!  </p>
<p>And more!  Here in the merest few words, the illuminated administration, in <i>full</i> intelligence, sophistication, character, wit, and ambition!</p>
<p>No really, be not afraid, mendacious friend. What you have achieved here is a signal transmission!</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Sesar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl Sesar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back @ 63, I wrote:

&quot;Things are falling apart because opposition to Obama is just empty talk. The only way to take him down fast and nullify all he&#039;s done in one fell swoop, is to take action, invoke the law of the land, the Constitution of the United States of America, get his birth certificate, and old passports, show he&#039;s not the native born citizen he claims to be, and remove him from office. It&#039;s your choice, America. Barry the Rainbow Redeemer, or the United States Constitution.&quot;

Meryl @ 68, in reply, with a caution that it all must be legal, asks the million-dollar question, &quot;HOW?&quot; I fully agree with Meryl&#039;s caution, and in answer to HOW? can only say, in regard to tactics, make as much noise as possible. Experts in activist tactics could advise a lot better. One of the best is David Horowitz, but he&#039;s against the Constitution on this -- that&#039;s right!! Hey, the Supreme Court could be, too, who knows? But we can make noise, lots of it. It ain&#039;t over yet , , , It&#039;d be nice if someone right now would ask Sotomayor whether, as a justice, she&#039;d honor and uphold the U. S. Constitution&#039;s natural born citizen clause, or not.

Nick Reynolds @ 85 warns, with Obama outta there on criminal fraud, we&#039;d still be stuck with Biden, Pelosi, et al. True, and unpleasant, but they&#039;d be pretty harmless then.

Geoffgo @ 119 aptly reminds us: &quot;The founders specifically granted the citizens the RIGHT TO REVOLT!&quot; Good to know, but there are at the very least a couple of national elections to come first, should the inelegibility charge fail to pan out, and things would have to be a whole lot worse than they are.

The best bet to nip it in the bud, fast, is the Constitution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back @ 63, I wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;Things are falling apart because opposition to Obama is just empty talk. The only way to take him down fast and nullify all he&#8217;s done in one fell swoop, is to take action, invoke the law of the land, the Constitution of the United States of America, get his birth certificate, and old passports, show he&#8217;s not the native born citizen he claims to be, and remove him from office. It&#8217;s your choice, America. Barry the Rainbow Redeemer, or the United States Constitution.&#8221;</p>
<p>Meryl @ 68, in reply, with a caution that it all must be legal, asks the million-dollar question, &#8220;HOW?&#8221; I fully agree with Meryl&#8217;s caution, and in answer to HOW? can only say, in regard to tactics, make as much noise as possible. Experts in activist tactics could advise a lot better. One of the best is David Horowitz, but he&#8217;s against the Constitution on this &#8212; that&#8217;s right!! Hey, the Supreme Court could be, too, who knows? But we can make noise, lots of it. It ain&#8217;t over yet , , , It&#8217;d be nice if someone right now would ask Sotomayor whether, as a justice, she&#8217;d honor and uphold the U. S. Constitution&#8217;s natural born citizen clause, or not.</p>
<p>Nick Reynolds @ 85 warns, with Obama outta there on criminal fraud, we&#8217;d still be stuck with Biden, Pelosi, et al. True, and unpleasant, but they&#8217;d be pretty harmless then.</p>
<p>Geoffgo @ 119 aptly reminds us: &#8220;The founders specifically granted the citizens the RIGHT TO REVOLT!&#8221; Good to know, but there are at the very least a couple of national elections to come first, should the inelegibility charge fail to pan out, and things would have to be a whole lot worse than they are.</p>
<p>The best bet to nip it in the bud, fast, is the Constitution.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Casebolt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich Casebolt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 04:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat, you will slow down productivity, right along with that consumption ... an indirect assault upon our ability to pursue happiness, which is an endeavor that our government is supposed to &quot;secure&quot; according to our founding documents as an unalienable right.

Now, that would be acceptable if said assault was in response to a clearly-proven threat to the environment ... because a healthy environment enhances the pursuit of happiness.

However, this is an assault based upon some really shaky science ... science that is accepted by many in large part because the policies derived from it hurt all the &quot;right&quot; people ... &quot;So what if we&#039;re wrong about the actual impact of human-generated greenhouse gases, we&#039;re still serving a good cause&quot; ... mixed in with an ideology that sees the pursuit of personal (as opposed to collective) happiness as something that must be tied down like Gulliver as &quot;immoral&quot;, the history of free enterprise with respect to securing those unalienable rights be damned.

That productivity is also the golden goose for the very prosperity that gives us the &quot;luxury&quot; of being concerned about the environment.  When people start worrying about their economic health, they become less concerned about, say, getting newer cars with cleaner emissions ... or saving endangered species; when people start worrying about where their next meal is coming from, they are more likely to fillet Willy than free him.

So, your favored policies could easily wind up being COUNTERPRODUCTIVE in terms of environmental protection.

Actually, the GOP has proposed many things in this area ... from policies that would increase the use of nuclear power, which has no significant greenhouse-gas emissions ... to increased domestic oil production, which would help our economy and diminish our support of authoritarian regimes in the MidEast, and perhaps even wean us off of that high-sulfur crude El Loco Hugo uses to prop up his rule in Venezuela.

But what they aren&#039;t proposing -- unlike the Dims, with regards to energy and many other areas of American society -- is that We the People totally subordinate our economic and technical decision-making to a relative-few Best and Brightest who may have great academic and professional credentials, but are structurally incapable of effectively solving the INDIVIDUAL problems of 300 million pursuers of happiness.

For the Dims to do so, is the height of narcissistic hubris ... and we are already beginning to see the divergence between such hubris and reality, as we have seen time and time again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat, you will slow down productivity, right along with that consumption &#8230; an indirect assault upon our ability to pursue happiness, which is an endeavor that our government is supposed to &#8220;secure&#8221; according to our founding documents as an unalienable right.</p>
<p>Now, that would be acceptable if said assault was in response to a clearly-proven threat to the environment &#8230; because a healthy environment enhances the pursuit of happiness.</p>
<p>However, this is an assault based upon some really shaky science &#8230; science that is accepted by many in large part because the policies derived from it hurt all the &#8220;right&#8221; people &#8230; &#8220;So what if we&#8217;re wrong about the actual impact of human-generated greenhouse gases, we&#8217;re still serving a good cause&#8221; &#8230; mixed in with an ideology that sees the pursuit of personal (as opposed to collective) happiness as something that must be tied down like Gulliver as &#8220;immoral&#8221;, the history of free enterprise with respect to securing those unalienable rights be damned.</p>
<p>That productivity is also the golden goose for the very prosperity that gives us the &#8220;luxury&#8221; of being concerned about the environment.  When people start worrying about their economic health, they become less concerned about, say, getting newer cars with cleaner emissions &#8230; or saving endangered species; when people start worrying about where their next meal is coming from, they are more likely to fillet Willy than free him.</p>
<p>So, your favored policies could easily wind up being COUNTERPRODUCTIVE in terms of environmental protection.</p>
<p>Actually, the GOP has proposed many things in this area &#8230; from policies that would increase the use of nuclear power, which has no significant greenhouse-gas emissions &#8230; to increased domestic oil production, which would help our economy and diminish our support of authoritarian regimes in the MidEast, and perhaps even wean us off of that high-sulfur crude El Loco Hugo uses to prop up his rule in Venezuela.</p>
<p>But what they aren&#8217;t proposing &#8212; unlike the Dims, with regards to energy and many other areas of American society &#8212; is that We the People totally subordinate our economic and technical decision-making to a relative-few Best and Brightest who may have great academic and professional credentials, but are structurally incapable of effectively solving the INDIVIDUAL problems of 300 million pursuers of happiness.</p>
<p>For the Dims to do so, is the height of narcissistic hubris &#8230; and we are already beginning to see the divergence between such hubris and reality, as we have seen time and time again.</p>
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		<title>By: r. curry</title>
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		<dc:creator>r. curry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 00:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Making war on the producers is simply rampant.
A friend of mine who owns some gas stations here in california has just taken a terrible hit from the state (along with every other gas station in the state).  She has had to install special equipment that reduces vapor emissions when pumping gas on cars made before 1995(!)—at a cost of $500,000!  Fortunately for her this insane mandate is not going to put her out of business, but I understand that it has put others down &amp; it is a huge hit for her.  The benefits to the environment are miniscule.  The state also requires her to remove this equipment in a few years again at considerable cost, etc, etc
 
This is pure capital destruction—worse than a tax.  The $500,000 was a pure loss to her, not an investment, and no gain to the state’s need for revenue, either.  
A pure waste in a time of massive capital destruction.
 
Good public policy supports the formation of capital—instead of its destruction--because capital is the key to our prosperity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Making war on the producers is simply rampant.<br />
A friend of mine who owns some gas stations here in california has just taken a terrible hit from the state (along with every other gas station in the state).  She has had to install special equipment that reduces vapor emissions when pumping gas on cars made before 1995(!)—at a cost of $500,000!  Fortunately for her this insane mandate is not going to put her out of business, but I understand that it has put others down &amp; it is a huge hit for her.  The benefits to the environment are miniscule.  The state also requires her to remove this equipment in a few years again at considerable cost, etc, etc</p>
<p>This is pure capital destruction—worse than a tax.  The $500,000 was a pure loss to her, not an investment, and no gain to the state’s need for revenue, either.<br />
A pure waste in a time of massive capital destruction.</p>
<p>Good public policy supports the formation of capital—instead of its destruction&#8211;because capital is the key to our prosperity.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Marcotte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Marcotte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Essnetial vdh

#147 PJ:  Here is How it works? You must be talking about your bowel movement and not cap and trade.  Tell me, hopefully, that you cannot find a voting booth.

Your comments would then be funny, not tragic.</description>
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<p>#147 PJ:  Here is How it works? You must be talking about your bowel movement and not cap and trade.  Tell me, hopefully, that you cannot find a voting booth.</p>
<p>Your comments would then be funny, not tragic.</p>
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