On another issue: Robert Gibbs is nothing short of incompetent and blithering. In his defense, he has no chance since he is speaking for an incomprehensible administration that seems bent on destroying the American way of life.

Interesting theory. Out there a bit, but we’re talking about Iran, so it’s not inconceivable. There is little difference between Ajad and Moussavi, politically or ideologically. The internal power struggle among the mullahs (if there is one) remains opaque to us. The news media in this country are worthless in helping us understanding what’s going on behind the scenes. Hopefully our intelligence guys have a better idea of who the real players are, and what the game plan is. If their assessment is similar to yours, it would explain in part why Obama is not more supportive of the protesters. He would just be participating in a charade.

TLM, good points, however do not underestimate the psychological sophistation of the Mullahs on how to release and vent the growing anger of the populace safely and still maintain real control.

They have over a 700 year history available to them of the great Persian Sufi writers whose level of understanding of human nature still has not been surpassed. Certainly not be American Psychologists.

To suspect that this is a ploy one only needs to look at the two men involved. Both were essentially picked by the Mullahs. The ballot boxes were obviously stuffed. The one pick becomes a victim the other a source for focus of angry advanced emotions.

The objective is to provide a focus to vent anger and action providing a significant release of energy in the streets.

The Mullahs provide a target of the “mobs” that poses no danger to the existing status quo and an easy method to vent and satisfy this problem with the populace.

If the mob is allowed to win and they will be if large enough, the victim is now in power. This is the Mullah’s hand picked victim. This is the Mullah’s game plan.

What is happening here? Even if the one “bad” guy is allowed to be overthrown the “good” guy is still the Mullah’s pick.

In the end nothing of political significance has occurred to change the system, but what has occurred is a release of emotional energy before if reaches a point of true revolution.

No significant or effective fighting and relatively few deaths has occurred just enough to let everyone in the street feel that they have won. What have they won?

I believe my points are true even granting the validity of yours.

BHO is not at play here other than to be a POTUS that will do nothing. That was also needed by the Mullah’s to pull this psychological venting and release of anger off and still control the situation.

In general the average Iranian is still like a fish in water he does not begin to understand the nature of water–his environment and how he is being played.

I also believe the Iranians’ in the US are just as described. None can or will fight directly for what they want. All need someone else to do it for them.

I agree disorganized protesters are unlikely to overthrow an organized despotic regime. they may still result in changes to the system, however. Any change in the Iranian government is likely to be better.

“Most of the demonstrators are killed by simply stray shots.”

I disagree. Shooting at a crowd to breakup a demonstration doesn’t necessarily require accuracy to be effective. That doesn’t mean the shots that kill people are “strays”. I doubt this young woman, Neda, was hit by a stray bullet. She appears to have been targeted.

Why don’t you?

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tanstaafl, I thought you were a rightist not just some american ‘fleedom’ looney…

“[The mullahs of islam look more like the western government left]”

You absolute dunce.

The “demonstrating Iranians” are nothing more than rioting in the streets with no organization and no real thought or knowledge of what it takes to overthrow a fascist government of Mullahs. The emotional and interpreting MSM is the same. The MSM are having a “feeding frenzy” like hogs at a trough. This will last until the next “news” cycle.

These are the same Mullahs who have shown a willingness to kill anyone they think necessary. The Mullahs have shown a unique ability to kill civilians. Typically other Arabs.

The demonstrators, like the rest of the worlds “young” and educated (but incompetent), especially in the Arab world, are totally dependent on the Iranian government. They could not find their way out of an outhouse much less fight effectively or overthrow a fascist fundamentalist Iranian government who know how to kill civilians.

Where is the inplace underground “fighting Iranian opposition”? Where is the “real fighting” going on? Who and where are the so called freedom fighters in Iran. All that can be seen now is a bunch of prancing idiots showing off through western cell phone technology. “Fighting” until the emotional high wears away due to the need to eat and shower and then collect the government dole. Along with a few “western high fives”. This “show” fits perfectly the level of intelligence of our MSM. Wow an emotional high, reporting from New York, via cell phone cameras. Somehow the grainy pictures make it a real fight. No clarity any where.

The Iranian “fighters” surprise, surprise are mostly in the good old USA, also in front of MSM HD cameras, trying to get the American people and American Soldiers who have been battered by our own representatives to fight for something they, the PC politically “elite” of Iran are not willing to do for themselves. That is a small point because the Iranians can not fight anyway. There are of course two contingents in the US. One the terrorists, western educated, who play any side needed. The other the PC Elites, also western educated, who need to get back in power with American Blood.—nothing happens otherwise.

What the demonstrators in Iran are providing is simply smoke and prancing in front of their own cameras to a “news” hungry idiot MSM of the “world”. As if the emotional pitch is actually like fighting for “freedom”. It would be better described as typical Iranian or Arab juvenile emotionalism. It is kind of like stoning one of the wives who appeared to have an “affair”. You need a high emotional pitch to do something that stupid. So we know they are capable of it—emotion not real fighting just killing. Islam allows it, promotes it for the “right cause”.

Like shooting a gun in the air and creating a war with their own Arab bullets, no pig fat allowed, to show Arab “bravery”. How many times have we seen that shown on the MSM cameras? Along with the shouts to enhance the pitch thus increase of bravery occurs. This of course happens when fighting civilians getting on and off buses.

Someday maybe they will discover gravity; bullets obey it, even theirs. They could be committing suicide and don’t know it. Should they be told? After all don’t the Arabs and Africans claim to have discovered everything but it was stolen by the big bad “Westerners” who made them like they are. What the hell ever that means.

Too much is being made of the cell phone images by all. This is perfect for the MSM but they are not sure? — Because BHO and his idiot foreign policy is not at play here.
Of course some are being killed. That is a typical result of the combination of ignorance on the rioter’s part and fear on the part of the “police” who have loaded weapons. Does anyone remember Kent State and the National Guard? Current National Guard is OK—nobody get their dander up!

Most of the demonstrators are killed by simply stray shots. In case one has not noticed Arabs or Persians make terrible soldiers and for the most part can not hit the side of a barn while inside. 300 Hundred Greek (western) Spartans kicked their asses and they haven’t recovered since. A better comment would be to say they haven’t changed yet.

Nothing is in fact at play here other than a bunch of incompetent Iranian boobs on both sides running in the streets and using their own phone cameras. A peacock’s feathered display to the “world”. A world that is supposed to do something. A current world along with BHO that is only capable of “Verbal Threats” to a bunch of Mullahs, who believe in jihad. A current world absent real freedom fighting Iranians, Ronald Reagan, and if you will GWB, a current world looking to cash in some way some how on all of those “dollars” sailing around. Should any one tell them that BHO is taking the “value out”?

This “prancing” is being done as if that would be an effective antidote to the Mullahs. That plays well before stupidity. MSM is the right place to find that. I am waiting for one of the MSM “reporters” to say he was there, publish fiction, and get a PP from the MSM. It includes “prancing” by the world’s politicians that also plays well for stupidity.

This demonstration is of course in lieu of the real fighting guerilla warfare and the support that would be needed to overthrow the fascist government being called a democracy by most of the MSM. After all they vote somewhat just like Acorns vote in the US.

It is now over other than the PC posturing, posturing that is going on in the US. Someone is trying to make political points. It’s hard however when you are stupid, that means not smart enough to know what is really going on. It does play to the right crowd however.

So this smoke and emotion also illustrates the incompetence of our “elected” representatives. Everyone already knows about the MSM. There is nothing new here and more so due to previous BHO grandstanding before the “Muslim world”. — The real third world. Fuzzy statements from both sides of the political aisle that could be interpreted any way depending on the “spin”.

So every one stand down. A Free and real democratic Iraq may lead the way in the future of the Arab world. Did some one say GW did it? This will occur of course after the Israelis blow holes in the Iranian reactors and the Arab world realizes they have a choice to choose western culture or jihad. They of course already have chosen western culture but they don’t really know it yet. They are fish living in water that they do not understand. So it is a matter of if they want to die eventually and that to will be accomplished as needed, BHO or not.

Americans who count should take the long view, because even if BHO gets reelected, the reality has not changed and eventually after the “Hope” dance and crash the piper will have to be paid.