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I think its important to note that this is the “Islamic Republic of Iran” that we are talking about here, and I want to bring special emphasis to the “Islamic” aspect of all this.
The “Islamic Revolution” of the 1970’s was every bit as real and significant to history as the Russian Revolution, but what we are seeing today is not a revolution of the Iranian masses against the Despotic Shah, this isn’t one border country against the other country on its border, like he Germans against the French and it isn’t like the Russians against the Czar; This is Muslim against Muslim and even in that its different in that it isn’t Shia against Sunni( something we’ve become accustomed to as of late), its Shia against Shia.
Never forget,The Mullahs are killing other Muslims. This is not insignificant and should not be overlooked.
This is “The Religious Islamic State”, the model of the new world, this is the Caliphate they wish to impose for the rest of the world. Yet we see that even in a country where the sect of Islam is roughly uniform, with a long cultural history of Islam, even with all that they cannot make it work. This is an Islamic Caliphate that cannot work – even in Iran!
Think of how significant it is that women are fighting in the streets of Tehran against the mullahs. They have had 30 years to put women back in their stunted, 11th century definition and yet, the women of Iran still wish to be free, even if that freedom costs them their lives. They are willing to lose their lives for the right to be heard, to elect a representative government.
Try and understand that standing up in a protest in the city of Seattle or San Francisco is not the same as what they are doing in Tehran. “Protest” here means standing up with a city sanctified permit, where the Police are charged by the government to protect your safety during your “heartfelt march”. Piss and moan about inequities of life all you want, make and display big giant puppets to your hearts content, there will always be some cop at the street corner directing traffic around you and getting water for some poor, out of shape middle aged protester.
When you go home, you know you wont hear a knock in the middle of the night. You know your family wont lose their jobs or disappear into some dungeon. You might even get on TV, and you will think yourself a hero for being so brave as to stand up for whateveritis against “the man”.
When you hear the word “protest” in regards to Iran, its not a big fun gathering of barely clothed hip and happy people carrying big, giant puppets of “Evil Dick Cheney”, its people standing in front of a police force and a military that is in no way limited in its exercise of power in ensuring the security of the state. The State will Beat, Kill ,Stab and maim you and your malcontent brothers and sisters and after its all over, they will hunt you down in your homes and find you, harass you at your job, kill your family or friends or subvert them so as to turn you in so as to make you do the same to all those you know who feel the same way about The State.
And yet, they still protest, they insist against all that they have the right to speak. They do so not because its fun, or to make a ’statement’ its because its all they have. That man in Tienanmen didnt stand in front of those tanks to make “a statement”, he did it because its all he could do. He lost his life but he showed the rest of us how to live.
As the man from Avon once said, “we should hold our manhoods cheap” when we think that we were not there with the Iranian people in their fight. Shame on us for standing by. Shame on our government for wanting to shake hands with these bloody monsters, for even suggesting that a deal with these monsters is worth more than doing the right thing for the people in Iran, for wanting diplomacy with these creeps, for inviting them to a 4th of July picnic for gods sake. The 4th of frigging july, what a complete abomination of all that day stands for.
This country once stood and fought for freedom and liberty. It has bled on every continent and in every sea to secure the rights of man.
Now it just stands aside this abomination and horror, picks its nose and wonders “whats in it for us?”.
“This country once stood and fought for freedom and liberty. It has bled on every continent and in every sea to secure the rights of man.
Now it just stands aside this abomination and horror, picks its nose and wonders “whats in it for us?”.”
Are you sure ?
“America does not travel abroad in search of dragons to slay. If she did, she would quickly become Mistress of the world”
warmi, there are a fair number of respectable conservatives who still feel that way. They say we never should have invaded Iraq in the first place, as it is not America’s job to shape the world to our image.
Frank: we get it by now. You HATE Muslims. We understand. Could you stop beating a dead horse with the “religion of peace” crap? I agree that most of the world’s terrorists are Muslim, and that some groups over-react when one points that out. You, on the other hand, ignore the simple fact that %99.99999 of the Muslims in the world do not -in fact- blow themselves (or anyone else) up, set fire to things, and cut off people’s heads.
As for holding your manhood cheap, no one’s stopping you from flying over there and jumping in right now…
If you took the time to read his original comment, frank was the one who invoked Shakespeare’s Henry V speech, then said “shame on us for standing by. Shame on our government for wanting to shake hands with these bloody monsters” After that he (incorrectly) said that this country “once stood and fought for freedom and liberty.” Um, no. This country has stood and fought to defend her land and citizens. We are, in fact, the protectors only of our own liberty; not the world’s, although the two goals may have become conflated at times.
Despite frank’s historically incorrect obsession, it has never been the role of the United States to fight for world-wide freedom, liberty, or even the American Way. My own suggestion was made light of his own turgid insistence that Americans somehow fight the “bloody monsters” of Iran.
Me, I don’t have much use for haters, including dillweeds who hate on an entire religion because an incredibly tiny proportion of reactionary butt-munches did evil things.
If you’re so inclined, that’s an easy game. Let’s kill all the Jews, since they killed Jesus. Or let’s kill all the radical Protestants, since they’re heretics. Or we could kill all the Roman Catholics, since they’re evil and corrupt materialists, according to the Protestants. On the other hand, we could shuffle all the shells, and Hey! this time the Jews are again lucky, so they’re driven from Edwardian England, then Isabelle’s Castile because not only did they kill Buddy Jesus, but quite coincidentally owned more than a little of the noble’s debt.
…but I diverge from the original thread. Quite simply, frank is a bigoted hater, and a self-documented proponent of killing the evil Islamic infidel (AKA your typical Muslim) at every opportunity. All I did was suggest he practice what he preached (eg killing Muslims).
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1. frank martin:I think its important to note that this is the “Islamic Republic of Iran” that we are talking about here, and I want to bring special emphasis to the “Islamic” aspect of all this.
The “Islamic Revolution” of the 1970’s was every bit as real and significant to history as the Russian Revolution, but what we are seeing today is not a revolution of the Iranian masses against the Despotic Shah, this isn’t one border country against the other country on its border, like he Germans against the French and it isn’t like the Russians against the Czar; This is Muslim against Muslim and even in that its different in that it isn’t Shia against Sunni( something we’ve become accustomed to as of late), its Shia against Shia.
Never forget,The Mullahs are killing other Muslims. This is not insignificant and should not be overlooked.
This is “The Religious Islamic State”, the model of the new world, this is the Caliphate they wish to impose for the rest of the world. Yet we see that even in a country where the sect of Islam is roughly uniform, with a long cultural history of Islam, even with all that they cannot make it work. This is an Islamic Caliphate that cannot work – even in Iran!
Think of how significant it is that women are fighting in the streets of Tehran against the mullahs. They have had 30 years to put women back in their stunted, 11th century definition and yet, the women of Iran still wish to be free, even if that freedom costs them their lives. They are willing to lose their lives for the right to be heard, to elect a representative government.
Try and understand that standing up in a protest in the city of Seattle or San Francisco is not the same as what they are doing in Tehran. “Protest” here means standing up with a city sanctified permit, where the Police are charged by the government to protect your safety during your “heartfelt march”. Piss and moan about inequities of life all you want, make and display big giant puppets to your hearts content, there will always be some cop at the street corner directing traffic around you and getting water for some poor, out of shape middle aged protester.
When you go home, you know you wont hear a knock in the middle of the night. You know your family wont lose their jobs or disappear into some dungeon. You might even get on TV, and you will think yourself a hero for being so brave as to stand up for whateveritis against “the man”.
When you hear the word “protest” in regards to Iran, its not a big fun gathering of barely clothed hip and happy people carrying big, giant puppets of “Evil Dick Cheney”, its people standing in front of a police force and a military that is in no way limited in its exercise of power in ensuring the security of the state. The State will Beat, Kill ,Stab and maim you and your malcontent brothers and sisters and after its all over, they will hunt you down in your homes and find you, harass you at your job, kill your family or friends or subvert them so as to turn you in so as to make you do the same to all those you know who feel the same way about The State.
And yet, they still protest, they insist against all that they have the right to speak. They do so not because its fun, or to make a ’statement’ its because its all they have. That man in Tienanmen didnt stand in front of those tanks to make “a statement”, he did it because its all he could do. He lost his life but he showed the rest of us how to live.
As the man from Avon once said, “we should hold our manhoods cheap” when we think that we were not there with the Iranian people in their fight. Shame on us for standing by. Shame on our government for wanting to shake hands with these bloody monsters, for even suggesting that a deal with these monsters is worth more than doing the right thing for the people in Iran, for wanting diplomacy with these creeps, for inviting them to a 4th of July picnic for gods sake. The 4th of frigging july, what a complete abomination of all that day stands for.
This country once stood and fought for freedom and liberty. It has bled on every continent and in every sea to secure the rights of man.
Now it just stands aside this abomination and horror, picks its nose and wonders “whats in it for us?”.
May God save us all.
Jun 24, 2009 - 6:18 pm 2. warmi:“This country once stood and fought for freedom and liberty. It has bled on every continent and in every sea to secure the rights of man.
Now it just stands aside this abomination and horror, picks its nose and wonders “whats in it for us?”.”
Are you sure ?
“America does not travel abroad in search of dragons to slay. If she did, she would quickly become Mistress of the world”
Jun 24, 2009 - 11:36 pm 3. Casey:warmi, there are a fair number of respectable conservatives who still feel that way. They say we never should have invaded Iraq in the first place, as it is not America’s job to shape the world to our image.
Frank: we get it by now. You HATE Muslims. We understand. Could you stop beating a dead horse with the “religion of peace” crap? I agree that most of the world’s terrorists are Muslim, and that some groups over-react when one points that out. You, on the other hand, ignore the simple fact that %99.99999 of the Muslims in the world do not -in fact- blow themselves (or anyone else) up, set fire to things, and cut off people’s heads.
As for holding your manhood cheap, no one’s stopping you from flying over there and jumping in right now…
Jun 25, 2009 - 11:49 am 4. McGehee:And along comes the chickenhawk attack. Nice.
Jun 25, 2009 - 1:08 pm 5. Casey:McGehee, with all due respect, bite me.
If you took the time to read his original comment, frank was the one who invoked Shakespeare’s Henry V speech, then said “shame on us for standing by. Shame on our government for wanting to shake hands with these bloody monsters” After that he (incorrectly) said that this country “once stood and fought for freedom and liberty.” Um, no. This country has stood and fought to defend her land and citizens. We are, in fact, the protectors only of our own liberty; not the world’s, although the two goals may have become conflated at times.
Despite frank’s historically incorrect obsession, it has never been the role of the United States to fight for world-wide freedom, liberty, or even the American Way. My own suggestion was made light of his own turgid insistence that Americans somehow fight the “bloody monsters” of Iran.
Me, I don’t have much use for haters, including dillweeds who hate on an entire religion because an incredibly tiny proportion of reactionary butt-munches did evil things.
If you’re so inclined, that’s an easy game. Let’s kill all the Jews, since they killed Jesus. Or let’s kill all the radical Protestants, since they’re heretics. Or we could kill all the Roman Catholics, since they’re evil and corrupt materialists, according to the Protestants. On the other hand, we could shuffle all the shells, and Hey! this time the Jews are again lucky, so they’re driven from Edwardian England, then Isabelle’s Castile because not only did they kill Buddy Jesus, but quite coincidentally owned more than a little of the noble’s debt.
…but I diverge from the original thread. Quite simply, frank is a bigoted hater, and a self-documented proponent of killing the evil Islamic infidel (AKA your typical Muslim) at every opportunity. All I did was suggest he practice what he preached (eg killing Muslims).
Jun 26, 2009 - 11:57 pmSorry, comments for this entry are closed at this time.