138 Comments

1. Peter:

The sneering condescension toward the 2 million people in Washington, D.C., in the comments thread of the open 9/12 post at LGF is astounding. If I didn’t know better, I’d swear I was visiting the Kos Kiddie Day Care Center or the PuffHo. And that includes the blog host as well.

Sep 12, 2009 - 3:16 pm 2. Elroy Jetson:

Stephen,
I used to enjoy Little Green Footballs until Charles Johnson went off the rails about intelligent design vs. evolution vs. creationism. I wonder if he and Andrew Sullivan are on the same meds.

Sep 12, 2009 - 3:21 pm 3. Barney Quick:

I, too, have soured on Charles Johnson and LGF. He had such intelllectual and moral clarity at one time. Now his site is a useless offering of kinky little preoccupations such as the ones Elroy J mentions, as well as techno-nerdery and snark. He does offer the occasional fun Keith Jarrett video, but if I’m loking for that, I can go to YouTube.

Sep 12, 2009 - 3:27 pm 4. rbj:

Elroy, bingo.

Sep 12, 2009 - 3:30 pm 5. Phineas:

Now he’s whining because I wrote (in the comments to an earlier post) that he said “they’re all Birchers.” OK, he didn’t literally use those words, but the guilt-by-extremist-association implication was there. No mention of the size of the crowds or the certainty that most of the 1 million+ people marching in DC today would want nothing to do with “extremists.” No concession that the people showing up could be doing so in good faith and out of concern for the direction of their country.

Nope. Just some sneering about “right-wing extremists.”

Thanks a helluva lot, Chuck.

Sep 12, 2009 - 3:34 pm 6. I didn’t think I was alone in this « Bent Notes:

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Sep 12, 2009 - 3:35 pm 7. lily:

Charles Who?

Sep 12, 2009 - 3:38 pm 8. mph:

Well, Stacy McCain does write for Taki Magazine and VDare…two absolutely disgusting (and racist) publications. McCain is openly friendly with the editor of Taki Mag, Richard Spencer, an avowed white nationalist (Spencer proudly told me this himself the one time I was disgraced to meet him – the guy is a f-ing lunatic and anyone who calls themselves a friend of this creature has serious issues of their own).

…and never mind that Stacy McCain is a member of the League of the South. What else do you need to know? Come on Stephen…you are one of the great ones. The enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend. Don’t close your eyes to this filth.

Sep 12, 2009 - 3:41 pm 9. Stephen Green:

mph –

I’m no enemy of Charles Johnson (at least I don’t think so!) and he’s no enemy of mine. I simply reported what CJ said, and then told you what I’ve seen myself.

Sep 12, 2009 - 3:49 pm 10. tm:

LGF was one of my daily reads for many years. I finally quit reading it completely several months ago. It’s like Andrew Sullivan all over again.

Sep 12, 2009 - 3:54 pm 11. frank martin:

George Lincoln Rockwell wrote for National Review. I read National Review, therefore using the “Johnson Razor of Reductionism” I am a supporter of the Nazi party? Really? Wow! no one told me that reductionism could be so fun!

Oh, and since all of your eyeballs just read those words, so are you!

Sep 12, 2009 - 4:09 pm 12. mph:

Stephen,

I meant that Stacy McCain and you often fall on the same side of the coin (common political enemies), but that doesn’t mean he’s your friend (I was not speaking of Charles Johnson).

But you owe it to yourself to look beyond the interactions you’ve had with McCain at the DNC and CPAC. While Charles is being unfair to the tea-partiers as a whole, he isn’t far off in his assessment of McCain. For the credibility of PJTV and PJM, you owe it to the institution you are helping to build to know which people are leeching off your success for their own desultory means.

League of the South…League of the South! The “reformed” KKK (or maybe they’re just in remission). Taki Magazine. VDare. Sick Sick Sick.

I look up to you as a rational classically liberal commentator (like a Glenn Reynolds with great comedic timing). It is painful to see this defense of what seems so obviously indefensible.

Sep 12, 2009 - 4:15 pm 13. Obi's Sister:

I pushed LGF off my radar a while back. Remember – bigots always say that ALL SOUTHERNERS are white supremacists, even when they’re not white.

LGF is up to his usual projectile projecting, if you ask me.

Sep 12, 2009 - 4:23 pm 14. mph:

Obi, — The League of the South is not representative of “ALL SOUTHERNERS” — just the avowedly racist and secessionist ones.

Sep 12, 2009 - 4:28 pm 15. Pastaneta:

I used to post at LGF until Johnson reverted to liberal dictator… As he is completely ignorant he posts one stupidity after the other, and woe onto anybody who corrects him… He is a boring SOB by now… So is his blog.

Sep 12, 2009 - 4:30 pm 16. HepCat:

Stephen,

Here is Charles Johnson’s response. Any comment?

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/34649_A_Response_to_Stephen_Green_%28With_Link%29

Sep 12, 2009 - 4:33 pm 17. Stephen Green:

HC –

Absolutely, although I can’t do much more than reiterate what I’ve already said. I like Stacy, I’ve worked with Stacy a couple time, I’ve never heard or seen him say or do anything remotely racist.

As for the pissing match between CJ and Stacy, today’s the first I’ve heard of it, as I don’t read LGF and I don’t read RSM unless he sends me a link I find interesting. That’s not a slam on either one of them — I just don’t have time to read blogs the way I once did.

Also, I should have been more clear as to WHY I didn’t link CJ’s comment — I couldn’t make the link work! That’s probably my bad, but I couldn’t say for sure.

Other than that, I’d really rather stay out of this fight. I think it’s possible to get along with both guys, although — even as a non-believer — I find reports of CJ’s anti-religious rants a bit off-putting, same as I find RSM’s choice of paychecks.

Sep 12, 2009 - 4:40 pm 18. David Thomson:

I embrace Thomas Sowell’s nurture over nature position regarding I.Q. It is intrinsically impossible to know for sure whether some races are more intelligent than others. Human beings will be debating these issues a million years from now. We must simply look at the ceaseless new empirical data and go from there. Sowell convincingly contends that the I.Q. of blacks and minorities increase over time if their immediate culture encourages intellectual development. At this point in time, it sounds like the more persuasive argument.

Sep 12, 2009 - 4:42 pm 19. rain of lead:

since I am now a banned person,didn’t say anything “bad” just posted at “the wrong site”
all I have to say to Charles et al
if all of the right-wing blogsphere is saying
that you are an a**hole….maybe it really is you.and for the few sane people that are still
there, please get out while you can

Sep 12, 2009 - 4:46 pm 20. Pianobuff:

Mr. Green, I urge you to take a look at the content Charles has posted at LGF in response to your posting and entertain the possibility that there may be some substance to his point. If in the end you are not persuaded that’s your prerogative, but given that you felt this important enough to cover in a posting, it’s probably worth giving equal time to investigate the credibility of Charles’s claims. That would be the reasonable course of action of a critical thinker, wouldn’t it?

Sep 12, 2009 - 4:49 pm 21. Steve:

One to two million fiscal conservatives stage a peaceful protest and CJ makes critical posts about the ugliness of the crowd. Isn’t it time to delink LGF from the PJM blogroll?

Sep 12, 2009 - 4:51 pm 22. Scott in OC:

This handy chart sums up all you really need to know about CJ and LGF

http://cheezburger.com/view.aspx?ciid=5126357

Sep 12, 2009 - 4:55 pm 23. Stephen Green:

Piano –

This will be my last word on this, for two reasons: 1) I have family coming over in a few; and 2) there’s not much else to say.

Having talked to Stacy about just this, I’d describe him as a proud Southern partisan — but no racist. From what I’ve read about CJ (but not from him because, as I’ve said, I don’t read LGF), he might have a bigotry of his own against people of faith. But not having read first hand, or talked to CJ, I couldn’t — and wouldn’t — say.

As a small-l libertarian, I have to take my political allies (very few) where I can (most -desperately!- anywhere). I think CJ performs a valuable service at LGF exposing jihadists, and that, whatever other faults he might have, RSM truly believes in small government. I can also say from firsthand experience that both men are fun to drink with.

Although from what I’ve seen today, I don’t think I would want to drink with them both at the same time.

Sep 12, 2009 - 4:56 pm 24. spidly:

LGF is an ugly place now. Linking to KOS for pictures that prove the 9/12 demonstration was all about race hatred.
All who disagree with the admin are racist creationist birther bircher truthers (not in the good truther Van Jones sense). Ugh…ugly ugly place now; like a slicker version of DU or Indymedia.

Sep 12, 2009 - 4:59 pm 25. arhooley:

I’m looking for this “Reclaiming the South” website where McCain allegedly posted some lines supporting people who can’t stomach interracial marriage. Pianobuff, HepCat, do you know where it is? All over the internet I see the electronic equivalent of a photocopy of a photocopy of a photocopy of a photocopy.

Sep 12, 2009 - 5:00 pm 26. Morgan:

Based on this kind of evidence:

“Robert Stacy McCain writes for VDARE and Takimag, two disgusting, openly racist websites. And he’s a friend of Richard Spencer, a self-avowed white nationalist. He is a member of the white supremacist group League of the South, and he’s associated with the deeply racist American Renaissance.”

I wonder what CJ thinks of Obama’s associations? I say whatever– if he applied his criteria equally to everyone it’d be one thing, but it’s all right, all the time.

Besides, he doesn’t actually understand the political spectrum, often lumping very socialist/protectionist types into ‘far right’ instead of where they belong on the left, and he usually does it just based on what he sees as racism. It’s weak sauce 24/7 over there.

Sep 12, 2009 - 5:03 pm 27. MPH:

Unfortunately, this is about much more than a “choice of paychecks.” The guy is leeching off of the earned credibility of people like yourself — in the meantime, he gets to spread vile ideas without proper rebuke because he seems to be affable enough in person. This person is pouring poison into the well from which many rational classical liberals drink.

Sep 12, 2009 - 5:03 pm 28. Steve In Tulsa:

No one cares what Chuck at Losers Get Fucked thinks about anything. I really would not worry about what he thinks about anything at all.

Sep 12, 2009 - 5:14 pm 29. Jay:

I just ready CJ’s attack post. What a joke, he links of all places, the Southern Poverty Law Center as his source. The SPLC is one of the most radical leftist groups out there who see a “facist” behing every tree (kind of like Chuck)

How much you want to bet none of the “lizards” call him out on his use of the SPLC?

Sep 12, 2009 - 5:22 pm 30. A Response to Stephen Green (With Link) | Weblogs:

[...] Vodkapundit » A Response to Charles Johnson. Over at LGF (no link, sorry) Charles Johnson notes that I’m taking phone calls from “white supremacist” Stacy McCain. (Thanks, Darlene.) [...]

Sep 12, 2009 - 5:23 pm 31. HarryV:

LGF has turned into a sewer of lefty trendoids, asskissers, and snitches. The decent posters are leaving in droves–if they aren’t already been banned.

Anyone interested in seeing a once excellent forum turning to shit in realtime should head over to LGF fast before it is down to five loons tut-tutting to each other.

Sep 12, 2009 - 5:30 pm 32. spidly:

These days at LGF it is all guilt by association of association with a tertiary link to another association, if the need arises to refute a point made elsewhere – no discourse needed, just cry (fill in the blank)-ism. Bad Craziness.

Sep 12, 2009 - 5:37 pm 33. mph:

There are plenty of angry former-LGF members spouting off in these comments about how awful Charles is. Which one of you dares to defend Stacy McCain’s resume? I haven’t read a single word in RSM’s defense from the lot of you — just a lot of whining about Charles.

Sep 12, 2009 - 5:45 pm 34. BottledSunshine:

mph:
What’s to defend? You post crap from the Southern Poverty Law Center and Media Matters, then wonder why no one takes your rants seriously. Those “sources” are a joke, go back to LGF, medaura.

Sep 12, 2009 - 5:55 pm 35. Bill:

Why should we defened RSM from smear attacks from a proven liar?

Sep 12, 2009 - 6:01 pm 36. stuiec:

Little Green Footballs is currently providing an invaluable service: every time he goes postal on a blogger he used to link to, it’s a sure sign that the object of his rage is someone worth checking out. I’ve discovered lots of great resources through his paranoia.

Sep 12, 2009 - 6:04 pm 37. Jay:

mph or whatever your “lizard” name is. Here’s some background on who your beloved Chuckles uses as his source

SPLC

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6989

Like BottledSunshine said, you can’t take anyone seriously who uses the SPLC or MM as their backup.

Sep 12, 2009 - 6:07 pm 38. Charlie (Colorado):

I’m looking for this “Reclaiming the South” website where McCain allegedly posted some lines supporting people who can’t stomach interracial marriage. Pianobuff, HepCat, do you know where it is? All over the internet I see the electronic equivalent of a photocopy of a photocopy of a photocopy of a photocopy.

I’ve got to say, I know Stacy as well, met him at the same time as Steve. I recall the conversation coming around to race stuff, and as the product of mixed races myself I’m pretty sensitive to the issue. (I also look white as could be, so I usually hear it more than you might imagine.) And I never got that vibe from Stacy.

Sep 12, 2009 - 6:07 pm 39. Gen. Sherman:

Robert Stacy McCain is a NeoConfederate, a member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans and the secessionist group the League of the South. Just as the Nazi party had their hatred of cosmopolitans (especially “rootless” ones) and their mystical love for the “blood and soil” from which the German character sprang, the LOS beleives that “Southerners are a people bound closely to the land. It is more than just a resource for production; it is who we are. It defines both our character and world view.”

Read all their beliefs, including their desire to destroy the US military here:
http://dixienet.org/New%20Site/corebeliefs.shtml

And remember, secession is anti-American. RS McCain is a traitor to his nation.

Sep 12, 2009 - 6:07 pm 40. formerlgfr:

Just so you all know – there is a growing opinion that whoever is managing LGF now is not CJ. The writing style of what is being posted now is COMPLETELY different from what many of us have (or had) been reading for at least 7 years.

Just sayin’.

Sep 12, 2009 - 6:09 pm 41. Lori:

I’m confused. The only reason I have not joined PJTV as a paid subscriber was because I thought Charles Johnson was a founding member and there is no way I would spend a dime if he got one red cent.

What connection does Charles Johnson have to PJTV and does he get paid in any way by PJTV?

Sep 12, 2009 - 6:14 pm 42. spidly:

LGF considers Van Jones a reasonable center left kind of guy, and ACORN a group that does a lot of good. The stories on them are given the label of “outrage of the day” and the people/outlets who cover the stories are discounted by LGF suddenly uncovering all kinds of racist fringe supporters. It’s just about to the point where having a buy gold ad (ron paul pushes for a gold standard, ron paul pushes for “state’s rights,” and “states rights” is a code word for segregation) means you cannot have a valid opinion if you disagree with LGF.

off the rails sctoopid.

Sep 12, 2009 - 6:18 pm 43. Xen:

@Lori

He serperated himself a while back, around the time he was on his first jihad against Spencer.

CJ is a piece of garbage.

(I just gave him a good excuse to whine incessantly about being “viscously attacked,” he has a serious persecution complex)

Sep 12, 2009 - 6:21 pm 44. Don:

Stacy is just like many of us who were born or live south of the Mason Dixon line.

“American by birth, Southern by the Grace of God.”

or for those with a little more humor…

“Where BBQ is a noun not a verb.”

Sep 12, 2009 - 6:23 pm 45. Bob:

Worth reading the League of the South’s statement on racism:

We believe that Christianity and social order require that all people, regardless of race, must be equal before the law. We do not believe that the law should be used to persecute, oppress, or favour any race or class. We believe that the only harmony possible between the races, as between all natural differences among human beings, begins in submitting to Jesus Christ’s commandment to “love our neighbours as ourselves.” That is the world we envision and work for. We believe that the politics of race-baiting whites against blacks and blacks against white has been profitable for politicians but catastrophic for the South and Southerners. We believe that all Southerners – black and white – want and need the same things: a safe country for their families, liberty, and the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

If they’re racists, they have a funny way of showing it.

Sep 12, 2009 - 6:27 pm 46. Jay:

One last comment from me (courtesy of Charles himself):

Leftist bias or not, if you ever find something at the Southern Poverty Law Center that is not true, please let me know.

I’ve been reading it for years, and I’ve found them to be very accurate and honest.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/showc/145/7690724

Game over…..

Sep 12, 2009 - 6:28 pm 47. Cato the Eldger:

So. How can you begin insulting Charles Johnson when he is speaking the truth?
People are mad for a reason. Because he is on the side of Obama now. I am just fine with this.
Get over it.

Sep 12, 2009 - 6:32 pm 48. arhooley:

40. formerlgfr –

I’ve seriously thought of asking who kidnapped Charles Johnson and assumed control of his keyboard? I also find the new rhetoric over there jarringly different. Some commenter will say something contained and sober like “People object to the Obama-centered lesson plans, not the speech itself” and Charles will respond, “THE HORROR!”

Answering a plain statement of fact with sarcasm-plus-hyperbole is not how I remember the Charles Johnson of several years ago (back when I read it avidly), although my memory might be wrong.

Sep 12, 2009 - 6:35 pm 49. jaymaster:

LGF went to hell shortly after the creation of Pajamas Media.

Maybe that is more than a coincidence?

Sep 12, 2009 - 6:35 pm 50. Obi's Sister:

Gen. Sherman – are you going to burn my house down on your way to the beach?

Sep 12, 2009 - 6:38 pm 51. anotherformerlgfer:

Banned from footballs for making the mistake of believing zombie and others about Jones. Not respecting Jones became a racial thing. Others have been banned for agreeing with Zombie and thinking John Holdren is a very scary man and that is forbidden.
I’m not clear on what happened to that blog.

Sep 12, 2009 - 6:40 pm 52. Calvin Ball:

Just Friday, he delinked from Powerline. POWERLINE, fer crisssake!!! What’ even weirder is that it was in response to them delinking LGF. And it gets even weirder. He throws up this post badmouthing Powerline:

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/34641_So_Long_Powerline

And he says

Since the people at Powerline have made a big public announcement about it, I’ll just say that I’m not the least surprised that they’ve delinked LGF.

…but doesn’t furnish a link to the “big public announcement”.

The guy’s gone moonbatty.

Sep 12, 2009 - 6:44 pm 53. catchmeifucan:

Charles at LGF is astounded that anyone might think him an anti-religious bigot. TO be fair to Charles he is only bigoted against religious people if they accept the doctrines of their faith. If you identify yourself as Jewish or Christian etc and reject the teachings of the faith then you are A-OK.
So, if you are religious and happen to think that a) god may have had some hand in creating the heavens and earth b) life begins at conception etc then CHarles might refer to you in the same demeaning sneer that a Skinhead refers to a jew or a black man.

Sep 12, 2009 - 6:48 pm 54. Calvin Ball:

Answering a plain statement of fact with sarcasm-plus-hyperbole is not how I remember the Charles Johnson of several years ago (back when I read it avidly), although my memory might be wrong.

Nothing wrong with your memory. He was a sort of ethereal presence, who made one or two comments a day, and maybe one banning a month. Something definitely changed in the neurotransmitters.

Sep 12, 2009 - 6:48 pm 55. Pee Wee Herman, Community Organizer:

I’m not clear on what happened to that blog.

Change. And maybe some stimulus.

Maybe somebody stole his bike? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHGof5cIvCg

Sep 12, 2009 - 6:52 pm 56. Phineas:

MPH:

“Which one of you dares to defend Stacy McCain’s resume?”

I only know McCain through his articles and web site, so I wouldn’t try to defend him without doing a lot more research. The only thing I can say is that he’s done some great work on the “Inspectors General” scandal and I follow those articles with interest.

As for CJ, his sneering condescension speaks for itself.

Sep 12, 2009 - 6:55 pm 57. RAH:

I used to visit but never commented at LGF . His devotees seemed too fanatic in idolism of CJ to be comfortable.

He went off on Gates of Vienna because they were linking pride of heritage to stop the influx of African Muslims to change the demographics of Europe. It seems odd that others can have racial and heritage pride but not Whites or Americans or Southerners.

Then he went off at the religous and was just as bad as any Kos kid . I never bother to read after that.

I speculate that CJ was and is a liberal and that he had a shock at 9-11 and has now reverted back to form.

Conservatives are not racist because they are against him. Obama has lied and decieved and he is very far left on the Marxist spectrum.

Conservatives are against Obama because Obama is destroying our economy , and our American way of life and liberty.

I have no problem with RSM. I have been reading him recently. He seems to take offense easily and has a healthy ego.

CJ seems to be passive agreesive with a very large ego.

Of course my speculation could be very wrong.

Sep 12, 2009 - 7:01 pm 58. mph:

Says Jay: “Like BottledSunshine said, you can’t take anyone seriously who uses the SPLC or MM as their backup.”

…and I can’t take anyone seriously who joins the League of the South, or actually writes for Taki or VDare. Come on…

Sep 12, 2009 - 7:04 pm 59. mph:

Chaulk RAH (comment #57) up for the White Pride parade coming to a city near you…because doesn’t it “seem odd that others can have racial and heritage pride but not Whites?”

When leftist reactionaries say Obama’s opponents disagree with him not on the issues, but because of his race — they point to people like you, RAH, as evidence. You are their straw man.

Sep 12, 2009 - 7:08 pm 60. RAH:

mph, you know that use the accusation of racism too much and it loses its impact. I could care less what you think, but Obama’s arrogance is causing major backlash. I am not PC. I am watching 300 tonight and they were very proud of being Spartans. Identification with a tribe or nationality is normal human behavior.

Mostly racism is on the side of the left. They see everything through the prism of race. I care about actions and views more than skin color. Do you!

Sep 12, 2009 - 7:16 pm 61. William Teach:

Excitable Chucky has a post up attacking you back for this one, Stephen, as well as attacking R.S. McCain: http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/34649_A_Response_to_Stephen_Green_(With_Link)

Sep 12, 2009 - 7:22 pm 62. Calvin Ball:

Here’s the problem with CJ’s argument: it boils down to:

1) where McCain has published, and

2) the definition of the word racism.

First, CJ is relying on left-wing blogs for his “information”. That’s error #1.

Then, he does a guilt-by-association thing. That’s like saying that Larry Elder is a whackadoodle because he published at WND. Frankly, I think Elder is better than WND, and should be publishing somewhere else, but the fact that he’s there doesn’t make him a whackadoodle. That’s error #2.

The, he pulls that comment about interracial marriage out of context, and links to a left-wing character assassination blog instead of the original source. Classy. What McCain was saying was that he sees a difference between organized ideological racism and people’s gut reactions.

Didn’t Obama say essentially the same thing about his grandmother? The only difference is that Obama left his gramma to dangle by not answering the question of whether a reaction the same thing as donning white hoods. Error #3.

Charles, you’re beyond stretching the rubber band. You’re downright dishonest.

Sep 12, 2009 - 7:23 pm 63. arhooley:

RAH, Calvin –

One thing I meant to add about the change at LGF: Cherchez la femme? Cherchez les drugs? I don’t mean to be vicious in asking about drugs, either; I don’t care what he smokes. The mention of “neurotransmitters” is very apt.

Sep 12, 2009 - 7:23 pm 64. spidly:

Calvin, you miss the point. We’re all racists. Stormfront has a site on the web and we share the web with them. LGF does not use the web. LGF transmits directly to your computer through the smugosphere, and is exempt from all criticism.

Sep 12, 2009 - 7:31 pm 65. Pablo:

“I think CJ performs a valuable service at LGF exposing jihadists…”

Thing is, Stephen, Charles doesn’t do that anymore. Too many crazy right wingers to track down. And now you’re one of them.

You realize that all this nonsense you’re spewing would get you banned from LGF, right?

Sep 12, 2009 - 7:49 pm 66. Hodato:

Change!

Would anyone like to put in a request for a particular flavor or color of Kool-Aid?

Sep 12, 2009 - 8:01 pm 67. Karmic Inquisitor:

WTF?

When do we get to get past the ad hominem crap?

OK – Charles Johnson has pissed a lot of people on the right off. But he never claimed to be a righty. And I didn’t hear anyone complaining when he was being “condescending” to Islamists, Obamatons, and all of the BDS crap that dominated the left.

So there is a simple question – is CJ right or wrong about Stacy McCain? If he is wrong, refute it conclusively and he’ll be shamed for calling the guy out. But if it comes down to a defense akin to “This is not the Reverend Wright that I knew” then some people need to get a grip.

Which is the whole point of what Johnson has been posting on for a while.

Sep 12, 2009 - 8:22 pm 68. Kilgore Trout:

Sharmuta, you need to get a clue. You can never satisfy Charles like I can.

Sep 12, 2009 - 8:27 pm 69. Glenn Beck:

Me: 3
Charles Johnson: 0

I am completely pwning CJ.

Sep 12, 2009 - 8:32 pm 70. Maxwell Jump:

I used to read and post quite a bit at LGF, although under a different screen name. I quit going there a few months ago, mainly because of venom aimed at other posters, the ones who disagreed with the whole Creationism/Evolution themes, and the sneering remarks made about and to the Christians and Jews who post there. Not so much from Charles himself, tho there was a little, but some of the regulars. And then I notice a general leftward tilt by Charle’s choices of subject matter.

I don’t hold it against him, he never claimed to be a conservative or even a Republican. It just wasn’t my cuppa tea anymore, especially since some of the people I love most in this world are creationists, tho not young earthers, and to see them compared to, or accused of being aligned with Islamists was really more than I could stand. So sad, I used to really enjoy the site. He did, and I’m sure, still does some good work, but other times, not so much. But that’s only my opinion.

Sep 12, 2009 - 8:33 pm 71. Seltzer:

Charles provides an extremely valuable service exposing extremism where he sees it regardless of ideology. When each party is in power the worst of their nuts are dormant, but when out of power their sewers open up and they spew forth. Each side mostly turns a blind-eye to their own radicals and that makes someone like CJ rare.

Eliminationists, bigots, theocrats, conspiracy theorists, zealots of all stripes and the demagogues who incite/exploit them – it’s best point them out and expose their ideas to the ridicule and contempt they deserve. Hopefully partisans from either side at least give Charles’ research a fair hearing being fully aware of the partisan failing of viewing opponents with jaundiced eyes and fellow travelers with sympathetic ones.

Sep 12, 2009 - 8:34 pm 72. spidly:

Karmic Inquisitor is posting to a site which has people who associate with Stacey McCain who has associations with people who know other people who are dodgy people. Karmic Inquisitor is therefore a white supremacist. Care to explain yourself?
woop woop!

Sep 12, 2009 - 8:35 pm 73. Brian L.:

Nothing builds an audience quite like stabbing all of one’s friends in the back, right Charles?

Regards,
Brian

Sep 12, 2009 - 8:36 pm 74. Obi-Wandreas:

I, too, used to read LGF. For a while, it was one of my favorite blogs. I always wanted to get registered to comment; by the time I saw that registration was open, it was already closed. Besides that, what man who has known the touch of a woman has time to read 700 comments on every post?

Several months ago – I don’t even remember why – I found that it had been annoying me so much that I took it off my bookmarks. I can’t say I’ve missed it. Until I saw this post, I forgot the place existed.

Sep 12, 2009 - 8:45 pm 75. arhooley:

Boy, wait till Stephen gets back and sees what we’ve done.

Meanwhile, Karmic I, I’m still waiting for Pianobuff or mph or someone to get to the bottom of this miscegenation thing.

Seltzer, I don’t quite agree. As I noted above, Charles diligently hunts for extremists under and behind every rock — of course he finds them. What’s with waving them around and claiming they typify the Republican party? The conservative movement?

Sep 12, 2009 - 8:54 pm 76. spidly:

yeah right, Seltzer. Go back and re-read the 9/12 thread on LGF. The whole crowd was a birther bircher theocratic mob who wanted to bring back slavery according to LGF. At the same time it is exposing the “extremism” at the 9/12 rally it is defending ACORN, Holdren, Van Jones, the third of the Democrat party that are real for true truthers and the other 1/4 of the Dems who are undecided about trutherism, and every other far left nutbar, – as these are all ginned up “outrages of the day” spoon fed us by Glenn Beck (who is satan BTW) and all the corporatey corporate interests or whatever conspiracy is good for the day. bit of a run on there. There’s a lot indefensible about what’s going on over there, Y’all are running around trying to marginalize anybody who disagrees by finding racists their bushes rather than making a valid point.
That place has gone insane.

Sep 12, 2009 - 8:55 pm 77. Karmic Inquisitor:

>>>>spidly:

Karmic Inquisitor is posting to a site which has people who associate with Stacey McCain who has associations with people who know other people who are dodgy people. Karmic Inquisitor is therefore a white supremacist. Care to explain yourself?
woop woop!
Sep 12, 2009 – 8:35 pm <<<<

I don't care about your claim "Stacey McCain who has associations with people who know other people who are dodgy people". But I can assume from the obfuscation that the answer to my prior question – is CJ right or wrong about McCain – is a muffled "he is right".

Sep 12, 2009 - 8:55 pm 78. George E.:

I think MPH is Charles Johnson.

Sep 12, 2009 - 8:56 pm 79. arhooley:

Oh frak, was my comment eaten? Apologies if this is a repost.

Anyway, Karmic, I’m waiting for someone to get to the bottom of the miscegenation issue.

And Seltzer, I don’t agree about Charles’s “valuable service.” As I said above, he hunts diligently for extremists — of course he finds them. What’s with waving them around and claiming they typify the Republican party or the conservative movement?

Sep 12, 2009 - 8:58 pm 80. Karmic Inquisitor:

Finding and exposing extremists within a mainstream movement is not an attempt to conflate the extremists with the mainstream.

It is an attempt to get the mainstream to reject the extremists.

And when a movement calling itself mainstream fails to reject the extremists they then allow the conflation to happen

As with Muslims
As with Leftists
As with Paulians
As with Birchers
As with European White Nationalists.

This ain’t about defending friends – people here shouldn’t feel obliged to defend McCain solely because he is a “friend” and the (now) big bad eveel CJ (who used to be a “friend”, BTW) is on his butt. They should suffer a little introspection, look into the facts and decide where they stand.

After that, if the shoe fits you are wearing it.

Just ask one of those Muslims who says “Muslims are treated unfairly” but still finds room in his “heart” to support suicide bombing buses.

Sep 12, 2009 - 9:06 pm 81. spidly:

Karmic Inquisitor refuses to justify his white supremacist associations. he is to be ignored.

Sep 12, 2009 - 9:13 pm 82. Calvin Ball:

It’s a question of balance:

As with Muslims – all 1.5 billion of them
As with Leftists – all 2 billion of them
As with Paulians – all 10 million of them
As with Birchers – both of them
As with European White Nationalists. – Maybe 25 million, 24.9 in the former Soviet bloc.

Mr. Johnson have a very active imagination if he thinks that there are more than three Birchers in the multiverse.

Sep 12, 2009 - 9:15 pm 83. Bogus:

MPH is Michael Hussey, husband of Kejda Gjermani (a/k/a Medaura), both of whom are well known to current and former LGF visitors.

Sep 12, 2009 - 9:17 pm 84. Karmic Inquisitor:

85. spidly:

Karmic Inquisitor refuses to justify his white supremacist associations. he is to be ignored.
Sep 12, 2009 – 9:13 pm

Obfuscate all you want.

Simple question – is he or isn’t he?

You are convicting McCain.

Sep 12, 2009 - 9:21 pm 85. Seltzer:

arhooley: he sees demagogues who know exactly which scabs to pick agitating/manipulating much of the conservative blogosphere and media with half-truths and eliminationist rhetoric.

Spidly: his beef with the Tea Party movement seems to mostly be with its leadership, organizers and funders. The movement predates this election cycle and was mostly made up of Ron Paul supporters. They’re still there, organizing and giving speeches but they’ve been joined by corporate funding/lobbyists and a whole host of other more unsavory groups who are trying to glom on to unaware movement conservatives who are fed up with the democrats and being out of power. As far as I can tell CJ feels the movement (especially its leadership) is hopelessly compromised by the Paulians, conspiracy theorists, militia folks, other assorted extremists and the corporate sponsors – whose agendas all the regular folks unintentionally endorse with their presence. They also share a problem all large protests seem to have when they’re too unfocused, and that is groups with all sorts of pet issues, some legitimate and many kooky show up, confusing and often poisoning the message. The anti-war left had the same problem with large marches and rallies where they couldn’t keep the anarchists, free Mumia people, etc away.

Actually, I realize I’m speaking out of turn here by speaking for him. This is just my impression of Charles from reading his blog over the last year or so.

Sep 12, 2009 - 9:27 pm 86. zaugg:

karmic, why do we have to defend RSM? Go over there and harass him yourself. He would make you look dumber than you already do.

Sep 12, 2009 - 9:27 pm 87. Karmic Inquisitor:

>>>86. Calvin Ball:

It’s a question of balance

…

Mr. Johnson have a very active imagination if he thinks that there are more than three Birchers in the multiverse.<<<

Then they should be easy to identify and disclaim.

Like Stacy McCain, for instance. There is just one of him. People are having a real hard time refuting the charge of white supremacism (other than the Obama-esque "not the guy I knew" defense). And they are having an even harder time disclaiming McCain. A real hard time.

Just think – disclaiming "all 3" of the Birchers will be 3 times harder. A monumental task for a lot of folks here.

Sep 12, 2009 - 9:29 pm 88. Donna V.:

Bob quoted the League of the South’s statement on racism. It’s worth reposting:

We believe that Christianity and social order require that all people, regardless of race, must be equal before the law. We do not believe that the law should be used to persecute, oppress, or favour any race or class. We believe that the only harmony possible between the races, as between all natural differences among human beings, begins in submitting to Jesus Christ’s commandment to “love our neighbours as ourselves.” That is the world we envision and work for. We believe that the politics of race-baiting whites against blacks and blacks against white has been profitable for politicians but catastrophic for the South and Southerners. We believe that all Southerners – black and white – want and need the same things: a safe country for their families, liberty, and the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

I’m a Northerner and I have no idea why someone would object to that statement. Well, someone who is fervertly anti-Christian would, but LGF is not calling McCain out for being a “Christianist” but for being a racist.

CJ defenders: can you point to an actual statement McCain has made or published which is clearly, undeniably racist? Not where he is published or who he associates with, but what he has actually written and said. Do that and I’ll think you have a point.

Sep 12, 2009 - 9:30 pm 89. Karmic Inquisitor:

>>>
90. zaugg:

karmic, why do we have to defend RSM? Go over there and harass him yourself. He would make you look dumber than you already do.
<<<

Again – you are missing the point.

I know what "RSM" is about.

The question is what are you guys about.

Because there is this cyber effigy burning going on right now of the messenger. That usually happens when people are refusing to hear the message.

People such as yourself.

Sep 12, 2009 - 9:32 pm 90. arhooley:

Karmic,

There’s always two schools of thought on the extremists. One is to combat them tooth and nail, the other is to starve them of attention. Well, I prefer the latter if for no other reason than I got plain bored going to Charles’s site and getting yet another Freak of the Day post on some obscure case I would never have heard of had it not been for Charles’s publicity. Who are these freaks? Where does he find them? And yes, he does conflate them with the mainstream.

As for his obsessive Glenn Beck Watch, I can turn on the show myself and see what’s happening.

Sep 12, 2009 - 9:33 pm 91. Calvin Ball:

People are having a real hard time refuting the charge of white supremacism [sic]

WTF??? Where I come from, you’re innocent until proven guilty. You prove it, @$$hole. And no CJ’s, lame attempt at shooting a pea shooter isn’t proof.

Sep 12, 2009 - 9:37 pm 92. Calvin Ball:

The question is what are you guys about.

The mark of the troll. GAZE. DNFTT.

Sep 12, 2009 - 9:39 pm 93. Ezekiel:

Who’s Charles Johnson?

Sep 12, 2009 - 9:45 pm 94. Karmic Inquisitor:

Donna V -

Did you read his claim that people have a “natural revulsion” to inter-racial marriages? He went on to explain that someone dealing with a black person at the bank may not have a problem with that person, but would have a problem with that person if she became an “in-law”.

Not to worry though – he used his “get out of racism free” card in the next sentence with capital letters “THIS IS NOT RACISM”. (pointer to anyone wanting to use the “get out of racism free” card – you have to use CAPITAL LETTERS).

http://www.nypress.com/article-6776-that-other-times.html

Sep 12, 2009 - 9:50 pm 95. arhooley:

People are having a real hard time refuting the charge of white supremacism (other than the Obama-esque “not the guy I knew” defense). And they are having an even harder time disclaiming McCain. A real hard time.

———————

Let me second that WTF!!?? No one’s even been trying to refute the charge. I’ve been asking repeatedly for you to support for it — it was your idea! “Not the guy I knew”? Where are you getting this? I’m reading “From what I know of him, he’s no racist. Standing by for decisive evidence to the contrary from his accusers.” “A real hard time” defending McCain? You’re having an even harder time convincing me that he’s a racist.

Sep 12, 2009 - 9:51 pm 96. Steve D:

Where exactly is the “value” or “service” in someone pointing to extreme wingnuts (left or right)on any issue (or at any gathering)and automatically accusing everyone of guilt by association…. especially when your accusations are shouted into your own private echo chamber of selected and filtered subscribers? Seriously? Who is benefiting?

Like a few of the commentors on here I had forgotten about LGF for a while. I recently stumbled back over there through some link or another and I honestly thought that his site was taken over by the Kos kids. It’s really not the same person. Not the tone. Not the content. And the “classically liberal” attitude is gone. Replaced by a petulant child who has his fingers jammed in his ears banning anyone who disagrees with his worldview.

Someone swing by his place and take an actual photograph of him blogging please because I really do not believe it’s him. And if it is then please… check his meds.

Sep 12, 2009 - 9:52 pm 97. Ezekiel:

So writers act of racism in the NY Press article was to postulate that there is a basic and inherent fear in humans of those that look different from themselves or their community?

I would think that’s a fear that at certain times in history has kept many a human alive.

I see that as attempt at a REAL honest dialogue about race being mocked by those who are first to label someone a racist.

Interesting.

Sep 12, 2009 - 9:58 pm 98. Karmic Inquisitor:

So let me get this straight.

We have a guy who wants to “restore” an independent southern republic via secession and is on record as calling Abraham Lincoln a war criminal for fighting the Civil War and who declares his “revulsion” to inter racial marriages as “natural” and therefore “NOT RACIST” and you folks say there is nothing whatsoever there to suggest that he is a racist?

And I suppose that the timing of the Emancipation Proclamation and the Civil War were purely coincidental.

Oh – and here are some more “core beliefs” to keep y’all entertained.

http://dixienet.org/New%20Site/corebeliefs.shtml

(They should probably add “BUT WE AREN’T RACISTS, SECESSIONISTS, MISOGYNISTS, ZEALOTS, FASCISTS, BIGOTS, OR TROGLODYTES” to the end of that web page)

Sep 12, 2009 - 10:08 pm 99. serr8d:

Karmic, you quote the “New York Press”. On the front page of that exalted rag, I find this blurb…

“TRADITIONALLY NEW YORK PRESS has not endorsed in local elections—unless it was meant as ridicule. But times have changed.This is only the second time we’ve endorsed a mayor (an entirely different editorial board and publisher “satirically” endorsed Fernando Ferrer in 2005), and nowadays we take the entire process seriously.”

Maybe you can find some Robert Stacey McCain-bashing articles at The Onion, too?

Sep 12, 2009 - 10:11 pm 100. Kirly:

There are nearly 1100 that have been banned from LGF. Add your nic to the list
http://kirls.blogspot.com/2009/05/banned-monium.html

We also have a chat linked at about a dozen different places. The entry is the small picture of the dust storm on my blog. You might find old friends! stop on by!

Sep 12, 2009 - 10:11 pm 101. serr8d:

Karmic Inquisitor, you quote the “New York Press”. On the front page of that exalted rag, I find this blurb…

“TRADITIONALLY NEW YORK PRESS has not endorsed in local elections—unless it was meant as ridicule. But times have changed.This is only the second time we’ve endorsed a mayor (an entirely different editorial board and publisher “satirically” endorsed Fernando Ferrer in 2005), and nowadays we take the entire process seriously.”

Maybe you can find some Robert Stacey McCain-bashing articles at The Onion, too?

Sep 12, 2009 - 10:13 pm 102. serr8d:

Sorry for the duplicate comment.

Sep 12, 2009 - 10:15 pm 103. Karmic Inquisitor:

105. serr8d:

That. is. so. funny.

You even posted it twice.

I. Love. It.

Because Stacy McCain wrote for New York Press.

http://home.att.net/~r.s.mccain/essays.html

BWAHAHAHAHAHAH.

And (completing the irony) is that he was writing about “the radical fringe”.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAH.

Sep 12, 2009 - 10:39 pm 104. serr8d:

Perhaps you could directly link the article you’re mentioning, Karmic Inquisitor?

While you’re at it, find the article the New York Press mentions RE: RSM. Because they aren’t very well sourced.

If, of course, you can find time to detach from CJ’s member long enough.

Sep 12, 2009 - 10:52 pm 105. serr8d:

Oh, and personally, I could care less where RSM earned a paycheck, from his earlier writings. Maybe he was writing a fiction, to please who ever was signing those paychecks. What matters is today, what he’s writing; today, what he believes; what’s in his soul today.

But you don’t believe in souls or forgiveness or any of that holy stuff, do you?

You and Charles believe that once a person, once he’s on a certain path, can never change, can he? Abraham Lincoln once said “”My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause.” By your, and by Charles’ judgments, Abe Lincoln certainly deserved no monument in Washington D.C. Because he once espoused slavery.

That’s the problem with Charles, and with you, since you’re drinking his koolaids (or whatevers). Once you throw an man or woman in a category, there’s no backing off, no chance for a person to change, for better or worse. That’s one deep well you LGF’ers have dug.

I hope you both wind up staring from the bottom of it, at a tiny, tiny bit of light well beyond your reaches.

Sep 12, 2009 - 11:04 pm 106. arhooley:

Kirly,

Good lord, looking over some of those names leaves me slack-jawed. The last time I looked, Dirk Diggler (#1000) and the newly conservative Afrocity were two of the funniest, smartest, and most popular “lizards.” I see Afrocity has a pretty popular site of her own now on Wordpress.

The guy’s cutting off his nose, eyes, lips, chin, scalp, ears, brows, and cheeks to spite his face.

Sep 12, 2009 - 11:06 pm 107. Karmic Inquisitor:

108. serr8d:

I have posted both the article and the page at RSM where he touts publication in New York Press (hint: scroll down, or use ^F and search for “New York Press”).

And why is it that when people here are losing an argument they rely on a penis reference? Is this a local variation on Godwin’s Law that involves repressed feelings about other dudes? Gaywin’s Law?

Sep 12, 2009 - 11:10 pm 108. spidly:

Karmic Inquisitor has yet to explain his racist buddies.

Sep 12, 2009 - 11:23 pm 109. Karma:

Me: A bazillion
Charles: -918

Sep 12, 2009 - 11:32 pm 110. Robert Stacy McCain:

Serr8d, there are multiple errors in the Signorile column. Most importantly, I never wrote anything for the “Reclaiming the South” site. That site was operated by a white supremacist (or, more accurately, white separatist) who stirred up an argument about race on a list-server discussion group I belonged to circa 1996. It is important to understand that I argued strongly against that guy’s views.

The guy then took everything that everyone posted to that discussion group on that topic and posted them at his own site, “Reclaiming the South.”

In other words, it was a pre-blogospheric flame-war. My contributions to the debate were anti-racist, and were posted at that site — along with everyone else’s contributions — without my permission. (I’m told the guy died a couple years ago.)

BTW, I have responded to “MPH” in an update and plan to respond to CJ later.

Sep 12, 2009 - 11:36 pm 111. Robert Stacy McCain:

Italic off.

Sep 12, 2009 - 11:37 pm 112. mph:

Still laughing at “I am watching 300 tonight and they were very proud of being Spartans. Identification with a tribe or nationality is normal human behavior.”

Sep 12, 2009 - 11:40 pm 113. Kejda:

Michael:

Get to bed! I’m not that hideous!

Sep 12, 2009 - 11:43 pm 114. Thundercloud:

Hey Robert Stack, why don’t you go to sleep. Hit the white bed sheets. You should be used to wearing those when you go out with your KKK friends. Especially over your head.

Sep 12, 2009 - 11:52 pm 115. spidly:

mph, you’re probably still laughing about the rest of that statement; “…I care about actions and views more than skin color.”

ha ha ha, silly person, it is all about race! It’s about how we can leverage our position by dividing people with it, and silence our opposition with threats of the labeling them racist.

This guilt by fictional association thing is really old.
Now go find the birchers in the bushes somewhere else.

Sep 12, 2009 - 11:58 pm 116. RAH:

I have no need to defend RSM, I do not know him personally so whether he is a racist or not I do not know. His postings I do not find racist. Egotistical maybe but not racist.

I have no issue with him being a proud Southerner. Many are and believe in States rights of sucession. The slavery issue is not one that I have known any to defend.

Lincoln was a tryant from many peoples point of view. Lincoln also saved this nation from splitting upand the result has been a strong and prosperous nation with many liberties.

Sucession was sucessfully refuted with the Civil War so no need to hash it out again.

CJ has gone off the deep end with his obsessions and attacking the Tea parties puts him on the side with the authoritarian left like Pelosi and Obama.

The original post was against CJ accusation. Since CJ has a past history of association of guilt by association

Sep 13, 2009 - 12:01 am 117. Thundercloud:

Good job Stephen. You’ve managed to attract the crazies from Blogmocracy.

Sep 13, 2009 - 12:06 am 118. Dirk Diggler:

arhooley,

“Good lord, looking over some of those names leaves me slack-jawed. The last time I looked, Dirk Diggler (#1000) and the newly conservative Afrocity were two of the funniest, smartest, and most popular lizards.”

Wow. Thank you very much. I might add that I quit LGF and have yet to be officially banned. The final straw for me was when a good friend of mine (loppyd) was banned for literally nothing. I haven’t posted there in months and I can’t imagine a scenario where I’d return to do anything but gawk at the wreckage the site has become. Charles behavior has become increasingly bizarre and despotic. Half the posts on any given thread are him picking fights with posters, and then summarily banning the ones with opinions contrary to his own. Granted some are jerks who richly deserve the stick, but many are merely expressing sincere opinions.

Couple that weirdness with Charles new persecution complex (“I’m a baaaaad conservative and they’re out to punish me”), and LGF is simply no longer a website that I wish to frequent.

I almost want to start a dead pool for the more stalwart conservative and anti-idiotarian lizards there. Who will get the stick next? I was shocked to hear the longtime LGFer Iron Fist was banned. I figure alegrias, zombie, and Occasional Reader are all on borrowed time.

Sep 13, 2009 - 12:25 am 119. TheCrazies:

Goodness, if you’re going to trash talk us, at least have the courtesy of leaving a link. It’s http://www.littlegreenfootballs2.com/

Sep 13, 2009 - 12:32 am 120. BottledSunshine:

Dirk Diggler,
“I figure alegrias, zombie, and Occasional Reader are all on borrowed time.”

I think you’re right, at least when it comes to zombie. Zombie’s been on the list since the Jones fiasco. The move to discredit zombie’s work is advancing. This was a comment made earlier today by one of the chief suck-ups.

{150 Sharmuta
9/12/2009 9:24:35 pm PDT 1
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“re: #35 noshariaincanada

my own take from viewing coverage of the event from different sites is similar to yours. You can always cherrypick images if you want to make a point, but the sheer number of people reported makes it unlikely (imho) that the above images are actually represenative of the event [with all due respect to the lizard master]”

Interesting theory. How do we know if the protest events of the last 8 years weren’t similarly “cherry-picked”? If other people’s work was indeed “cherry-picked” is it acceptable to do the same now, or should we question what we’ve been led to believe about leftist protests for the last 8 years?

Just wondering.}

Looks like they are getting ready for an under the bus toss over there.

Sep 13, 2009 - 12:47 am 121. spidly:

dirk:
banned after 8 years. my offense as far as I can tell, was disgust at Holdren having any position esp. science czar, and fear of having state run medicine with that freak anywhere near it, or with the cold calculus of Zeke “complete lives system” Emanuel – at least that was the gist of my last days’ posting before I was disappeared.

“The fetus, given the opportunity to develop properly before birth, and given the essential early socializing experiences and sufficient nourishing food during the crucial early years after birth, will ultimately develop into a human being. Where any of these essential elements is lacking, the resultant individual will be deficient in some respect.”

Pointing out the sick views of that stain is “manufactured outrage” at LGF, and his eugenicist views are somehow are not allowed to reflect on Obama, or LGF who appears to defend them. You want guilt by association over there? There you go.

good times

Sep 13, 2009 - 1:35 am 122. arhooley:

Wow. Thank you very much. — Dirk Diggler

—————–

Heh. I remember you saying on some thread about some race hysteria (maybe during the Jeremiah Wright scandal?) “I’m a person of color.” I hope to see liberated former LGFers posting at conservative and libertarian blogs.

I also see doom on the horizon for zombie. The execrable Sharmuta writes tonight:

I’m wondering if I should question what I’ve seen of leftist protests for the last 8 years, because I’m pretty sure similar amounts of “cherry-picking” could be said to have occurred, and probably did.

Turning on zombie? As CJ would say, bad craziness!

Sep 13, 2009 - 1:41 am 123. el polacko:

i got banned at LGF a few days ago just for giving an up-ding to a comment that van jones needed to go ! i used to enjoy that charles would call out the nuts on the right as well as the left, but lately i haven’t been able to tell if i was posting on LGF or on huffpo.. and even huffpo won’t ban you for disagreeing.

Sep 13, 2009 - 2:23 am 124. Guess who?:

Kirly, incoming.

Sep 13, 2009 - 2:36 am 125. Calvin Ball:

101. Ezekiel:

So writers act of racism in the NY Press article was to postulate that there is a basic and inherent fear in humans of those that look different from themselves or their community?

As I said in 62, Stacey didn’t say anything that Obama didn’t say. But that’s different, isn’t it?

Sep 13, 2009 - 2:40 am 126. Calvin Ball:

110. arhooley, ditto. Carl in Jerusalem??? Johnson must have been bit by a rabid aardvark when he was out biking. He does wear a helmet, doesn’t he?

Sep 13, 2009 - 2:44 am 127. Calvin Ball:

120., Loppy??? The talking bra from Boston??? Somebody needs to find that aardvark that bit CJ.

Banning Zombie will be suicide. I think it’s going to happen.

Sep 13, 2009 - 2:50 am 128. M. Simon:

I embrace Thomas Sowell’s nurture over nature position regarding I.Q.

There is probably some of that for sure. But then you have to explain Ashkenazi Jews.

There is DNA when it comes to many body characteristics. I don’t see why brains would be an exception. I wrote a bit on the topic:

Inequality

===

BTW I have never found VDARE to be bigoted. Their premise is that large population shifts will change the culture. Which it will. I’m OK with that. The VDARE folks don’t like it. Which I think is a fair position.

But I do have problems with Lew Rockwell. And have told him so. Although I like his stance on many issues other than race.

Sep 13, 2009 - 7:47 am 129. M. Simon:

As I understand it Palin’s husband was once a member of a libertarian oriented sucessionist party. They didn’t like the Federal over reach.

And of course you have all the Tenth Amendment States. Passing laws limiting Federal reach.

I dunno. Seems like a respectable possition to me. Now I’m not a succesioinist myself. But the Feds have gone way too far.

Sep 13, 2009 - 8:30 am 130. M. Simon:

And to all you former and banned LGFers. I was one of the very earliest fans of LGF (I was there for the first 100 comment post). Got sent there by Sully. Now I don’t go there any more. Either place. Except through linkages.

I even got invited by some one to defend a bit of fusion science (The Polywell Fusion Reactor) and just couldn’t bring myself to do it.

Sep 13, 2009 - 8:45 am 131. Irresistible force vs immovable object: Johnson vs McCain « DaTechguy’s Blog:

[...] Pundit responded in a post here stating: Now, I’ve worked with Stacy in person a couple of times, at the DNC last summer and at CPAC in [...]

Sep 13, 2009 - 9:47 am 132. Joe:

Charles Johnson, in his redirected jihad against anyone from the right who mentions God, the South, or gets too mean to jihadis called Robert Stacy McCain a Southern white supremacist yesterday in connection with the DC Tea Party (and threw Stephen Green under the bus too for good measure). CJ was also claiming he “lost count” of Obama = Hilter signs (funny, I watched video yesterday and did not see one).

In response, R.S.McCain gives one of the best comebacks and defenses of the South and conservatism I have ever read. Read it all. It has that Jeff Goldstein quality of never give in, never surrender.

Point I.

Point II.

Point III.

Sep 13, 2009 - 9:59 am 133. Calvin Ball:

131, you missed climate blasphemy. According to CJ, there is no warming but anthropogenic warming, and Algore is its messenger.

And he’ll ban you if you don’t sing “Amen!”.

Atheist, my butt.

Sep 13, 2009 - 10:45 am 134. Donna V.:

Karmic Inquisitor:

As for the Stacy McCain quote that has got you all in a self-righteous tizzy, well, this is from the introduction of historian Niall Ferguson’s “The War of the World”:

“For there is evidence from the behavior of both humans and other species that nature does not necessarily favour breeding between genetically very different members of the same species,…,Some evolutionary biologists argue that this was a result just not of ‘genetic drift’ but of ’sexual selection’ – in other words a culturally triggered and somewhat arbitrary preference for eye-folds in Asia or long noses in Europe quite rapidly accentuated precisely those characteristics in populations that were isolated from each other. Like attracted and continues to attract like: those who are drawn to ‘the Other’ may in fact be atypical in their sexual predilections.”

Is Ferguson’s point that much different from the one Stacy McCain makes? That ole science is a b*tch; it doesn’t always reinforce the beliefs of politically correct liberals.

I guess somebody needs to notify Harvard. It looks like they have a “white supremacist” on their faculty.

And what is it with the obsessive monitoring and “flouncing” and threats to “flounce” and the juvenile gloating over having banned commenters over there? If you offend Comrade Beria and his flunkies, he might let you stick around if you grovel and apologize. Being a regular on LGF is so important to these people that adults are willing to put up with that sort of treatment? If you have any amount of self-respect, why would you want to hang out at a blog where you are declared double plus ungood as soon as you express an opinion contrary to The Great Leader’s?

LGF is indeed “a true internet dictatorship.” We’re supposed to believe that they represent the voice of moderation?

I was a regular there too once. I stopped reading it a couple of years ago. Going back there now and scanning the comments threads makes me feel like I’ve landed in the alternate universe with bearded Spock at the helm.

Sep 13, 2009 - 12:22 pm 135. Thomas:

I posted a quite innocuous remark to the effect that Charles was assigning too much importance to a cadre of Bircher lunatics, and that he ought to relax a bit. Banned.

Oh well, he seems to be correct about McCain anyway. Evil can be quite banal. But Charles might bear in mind that evil loves an echo chamber.

Sep 13, 2009 - 3:50 pm 136. aveen:

re #2 “I used to enjoy Little Green Footballs until Charles Johnson went off the rails about intelligent design vs. evolution vs. creationism.”

The only thing “off the rails” are the cretins pushing creationism/intelligent design “theory.” This is one thing Charles should be congratulated for exposing to a wider audience.

Sep 13, 2009 - 4:03 pm 137. Dirk Diggler:

Donna V,

Eloquently put. I remember you from the old days. Where have you been hiding?

BTW, I’m now officially “banned”.

I’m taking it really hard to. I swear I haven’t been this devastated since Fox cancelled the Chevy Chase Show.

Sep 13, 2009 - 6:44 pm 138. False Charges Of Racism « The Underground Conservative:

[...] had plenty of people responding on his behalf. First, Stephen Green, the VodkaPundit weighs in: At no time did I see Stacy treat anyone — of any color, creed, whathaveyou — with anything [...]

Sep 15, 2009 - 1:14 pm

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