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		<title>By: Ubu Roi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ubu Roi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Brendan (and for the link too).  The problem is, as always, people are people.  They&#039;re illogical and short sighted, and their government is often worse. The good news, is that the State of Texas made some improvements in evacuation strategy.  The bad news is they made some bad decisions too, and the road net is still, and always will be a problem.  Any evacuation order affecting Houston is likely to affect points east.  Roads from the area to Houston&#039;s east lead north and slightly west, so that there is a natural convergence with people trying to evacuate the east side of the Houston metro area. I blogged about the problems that caused from the first-person POV &lt;a href=&quot;http://houblog.com/wp/index.php/2005/32&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;back then&lt;/a&gt;. 

That means the primary evacuation for the core of the city is along four freeways to the north, west, and southwest, and only two of them parallel the old US highway they replaced; the other two were built over the original roads, or were completely new.  Worse, there is a bottleneck on the north side where there is not even a tertiary road net, let alone secondary.  From Conroe to Huntsville, the four lanes of I-45 are it.  I&#039;m a big believer in letting the secondary roads take some of the load, but the government seems to love shoving everyone from one area into a pre-planned and overloaded evacuation route.

I have to run; if I get a chance, I may develop some thoughts and post them later on Houbog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Brendan (and for the link too).  The problem is, as always, people are people.  They&#8217;re illogical and short sighted, and their government is often worse. The good news, is that the State of Texas made some improvements in evacuation strategy.  The bad news is they made some bad decisions too, and the road net is still, and always will be a problem.  Any evacuation order affecting Houston is likely to affect points east.  Roads from the area to Houston&#8217;s east lead north and slightly west, so that there is a natural convergence with people trying to evacuate the east side of the Houston metro area. I blogged about the problems that caused from the first-person POV <a href="http://houblog.com/wp/index.php/2005/32" rel="nofollow">back then</a>. </p>
<p>That means the primary evacuation for the core of the city is along four freeways to the north, west, and southwest, and only two of them parallel the old US highway they replaced; the other two were built over the original roads, or were completely new.  Worse, there is a bottleneck on the north side where there is not even a tertiary road net, let alone secondary.  From Conroe to Huntsville, the four lanes of I-45 are it.  I&#8217;m a big believer in letting the secondary roads take some of the load, but the government seems to love shoving everyone from one area into a pre-planned and overloaded evacuation route.</p>
<p>I have to run; if I get a chance, I may develop some thoughts and post them later on Houbog.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan Loy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendan Loy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ubu, thanks for the comment. I &lt;a href=&quot;http://pajamasmedia.com/weathernerd/2008/08/04/good-news-edouards-strengthening-stalls/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;responded&lt;/a&gt; to your thoughts about &quot;minimal&quot; hurricanes in my new post. Long story short, I basically agree with you.

As for Rita, you&#039;re absolutely right, Rita was &lt;i&gt;far&lt;/i&gt; from &quot;minimal&quot; -- it was one of the 6 most intense hurricanes ever recorded in the Atlantic basin!! If the conventional wisdom in Texas has evolved to the point where people think Rita was naught but hype, things are far worse than I realized. Rita not only &quot;might,&quot; but definitely &lt;i&gt;would&lt;/i&gt;, have been as bad as the hype -- maybe worse -- if it had not turned east and weakened substantially. And, as I keep pointing out, there&#039;s simply no way to predict, 2 or 3 days in advance, with any precision or confidence, whether such twists and turns will occur. The fear of utter devastation from Rita was &lt;i&gt;completely justified&lt;/i&gt;.

As for the evacuation &quot;fiasco,&quot; you&#039;re right that a huge factor was the timing, &quot;less than a month after another city floods.&quot; As I understand it, local officials had an orderly evacuation plan -- people in this zone evacuate first, then people in this zone, etc., and people in this and that zone don&#039;t need to evacuate at all -- but folks simply didn&#039;t follow the plan because they were so freaked out, post-Katrina. That&#039;s understandable, but it&#039;s the exact opposite of the problem that disaster planners usually face: generally, you can&#039;t get half the people who &lt;i&gt;need&lt;/i&gt; to evacuate to leave; with Rita, you had a bunch of people leaving who &lt;i&gt;didn&#039;t need&lt;/i&gt; to do so! So, yes, it was a fiasco, but it was a singular one, unlikely to recur ever again. The circumstances were truly freakish. And, although the evacuation ultimately proved more deadly than the storm itself, that&#039;s only clear in hindsight. At the time, there was every reason in the world to fear a calamity from Rita.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ubu, thanks for the comment. I <a href="http://pajamasmedia.com/weathernerd/2008/08/04/good-news-edouards-strengthening-stalls/" rel="nofollow">responded</a> to your thoughts about &#8220;minimal&#8221; hurricanes in my new post. Long story short, I basically agree with you.</p>
<p>As for Rita, you&#8217;re absolutely right, Rita was <i>far</i> from &#8220;minimal&#8221; &#8212; it was one of the 6 most intense hurricanes ever recorded in the Atlantic basin!! If the conventional wisdom in Texas has evolved to the point where people think Rita was naught but hype, things are far worse than I realized. Rita not only &#8220;might,&#8221; but definitely <i>would</i>, have been as bad as the hype &#8212; maybe worse &#8212; if it had not turned east and weakened substantially. And, as I keep pointing out, there&#8217;s simply no way to predict, 2 or 3 days in advance, with any precision or confidence, whether such twists and turns will occur. The fear of utter devastation from Rita was <i>completely justified</i>.</p>
<p>As for the evacuation &#8220;fiasco,&#8221; you&#8217;re right that a huge factor was the timing, &#8220;less than a month after another city floods.&#8221; As I understand it, local officials had an orderly evacuation plan &#8212; people in this zone evacuate first, then people in this zone, etc., and people in this and that zone don&#8217;t need to evacuate at all &#8212; but folks simply didn&#8217;t follow the plan because they were so freaked out, post-Katrina. That&#8217;s understandable, but it&#8217;s the exact opposite of the problem that disaster planners usually face: generally, you can&#8217;t get half the people who <i>need</i> to evacuate to leave; with Rita, you had a bunch of people leaving who <i>didn&#8217;t need</i> to do so! So, yes, it was a fiasco, but it was a singular one, unlikely to recur ever again. The circumstances were truly freakish. And, although the evacuation ultimately proved more deadly than the storm itself, that&#8217;s only clear in hindsight. At the time, there was every reason in the world to fear a calamity from Rita.</p>
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		<title>By: Ubu Roi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ubu Roi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 11:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Around here, we don&#039;t run from a minimal hurricane, unless we&#039;re right on the coast or in a very low area.  Or all the TV stations go berserk with hype (&quot;20 feet of water in Clear Lake!&quot;) less than a month after another city floods. What has gotten overlooked in the time since that fiasco is that Rita was not minimal (Cat 5 at one point) and had it not turned east, things might actually have been that bad.  

Minimal hurricanes are mildly dangerous, moreso if they drop lots of rain -- but I&#039;ve driven to work in the middle of one, in a dinky Chevette (which will date about when it happened, heh).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Around here, we don&#8217;t run from a minimal hurricane, unless we&#8217;re right on the coast or in a very low area.  Or all the TV stations go berserk with hype (&#8221;20 feet of water in Clear Lake!&#8221;) less than a month after another city floods. What has gotten overlooked in the time since that fiasco is that Rita was not minimal (Cat 5 at one point) and had it not turned east, things might actually have been that bad.  </p>
<p>Minimal hurricanes are mildly dangerous, moreso if they drop lots of rain &#8212; but I&#8217;ve driven to work in the middle of one, in a dinky Chevette (which will date about when it happened, heh).</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan Loy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendan Loy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 11:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, I&#039;m not terribly familiar with Houston&#039;s geography, but assuming you&#039;re reasonably far inland and not in a flood plain, that&#039;s probably a sensible approach. I am certainly not suggesting that everybody should evacuate, or &quot;get the hell out&quot; as I said with Katrina.

Anyway, the good news is, Edouard didn&#039;t strengthen at all overnight -- in fact, he weakened a bit, and is only now getting more organized, back to where he was originally -- so that significantly alleviates my worry about the possibility of rapid intensification bringing the storm above Cat. 1. That possibility was always small; now, it&#039;s even smaller.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, I&#8217;m not terribly familiar with Houston&#8217;s geography, but assuming you&#8217;re reasonably far inland and not in a flood plain, that&#8217;s probably a sensible approach. I am certainly not suggesting that everybody should evacuate, or &#8220;get the hell out&#8221; as I said with Katrina.</p>
<p>Anyway, the good news is, Edouard didn&#8217;t strengthen at all overnight &#8212; in fact, he weakened a bit, and is only now getting more organized, back to where he was originally &#8212; so that significantly alleviates my worry about the possibility of rapid intensification bringing the storm above Cat. 1. That possibility was always small; now, it&#8217;s even smaller.</p>
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		<title>By: 49erDweet</title>
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		<dc:creator>49erDweet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 06:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, I thought, and it wasn&#039;t &quot;hype&quot;.  Now get some sleep because you might be busy for awhile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, I thought, and it wasn&#8217;t &#8220;hype&#8221;.  Now get some sleep because you might be busy for awhile.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 02:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in SE Houston (Clear Lake area).  This is not a storm to run from.  Not where my house is.  Hide from, yes.  You do that at home.  Get all the stuff in the yard stashed away, top off the gas tanks, and wait.  Already have the hurricane supplies I need.

I may cocoon at home on Tuesday, but I cannot see taking the risk associated with evacuating.  Instead, if Edouard continues to Houston, I will call in sick Tuesday.  Tell him I have trouble with my eyes -- can&#039;t see coming in when the weather is so bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in SE Houston (Clear Lake area).  This is not a storm to run from.  Not where my house is.  Hide from, yes.  You do that at home.  Get all the stuff in the yard stashed away, top off the gas tanks, and wait.  Already have the hurricane supplies I need.</p>
<p>I may cocoon at home on Tuesday, but I cannot see taking the risk associated with evacuating.  Instead, if Edouard continues to Houston, I will call in sick Tuesday.  Tell him I have trouble with my eyes &#8212; can&#8217;t see coming in when the weather is so bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Houblog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Time to Break Out the Rubber Ducks (updated)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Houblog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Time to Break Out the Rubber Ducks (updated)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 02:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] gotten some ten days ago, just in case. But here&#8217;s why this storm worries me a bit, per the Weather Nerd:  the National Hurricane Center designated Tropical Depression Five at 5:00 PM EDT, and then at [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] gotten some ten days ago, just in case. But here&#8217;s why this storm worries me a bit, per the Weather Nerd:  the National Hurricane Center designated Tropical Depression Five at 5:00 PM EDT, and then at [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Hal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 01:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t know if you&#039;re familiar with this site but thought I would pass it on.

http://www.easternuswx.com/bb/index.php?showforum=15</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t know if you&#8217;re familiar with this site but thought I would pass it on.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.easternuswx.com/bb/index.php?showforum=15" rel="nofollow">http://www.easternuswx.com/bb/index.php?showforum=15</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ubu Roi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ubu Roi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 01:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We don&#039;t take even tropical storms lightly around here, since Allison dumped 36 inches of rain in 24 hours.  In my household, even less than others.  We have three vehicles; all three are already topped off, we have extra gas for our generator, and several gallons of water set aside.  We&#039;ll do more tomorrow after updates.

Humidity is high, and it&#039;s already raining here. Not directly related to Edouard, but part of the same conditions that spawned it.  This isn&#039;t conclusive by itself, but it&#039;s a bad sign that it may be a very wet storm, rather than strong -- like Allison, which did most of its damage _after_ dropping below T.S. strength.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We don&#8217;t take even tropical storms lightly around here, since Allison dumped 36 inches of rain in 24 hours.  In my household, even less than others.  We have three vehicles; all three are already topped off, we have extra gas for our generator, and several gallons of water set aside.  We&#8217;ll do more tomorrow after updates.</p>
<p>Humidity is high, and it&#8217;s already raining here. Not directly related to Edouard, but part of the same conditions that spawned it.  This isn&#8217;t conclusive by itself, but it&#8217;s a bad sign that it may be a very wet storm, rather than strong &#8212; like Allison, which did most of its damage _after_ dropping below T.S. strength.</p>
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