A study commissioned by Germany’s Interior Ministry warns that 180.000 of the country’s 3 million Muslims are willing to commit violence in the name of Islam, which amounts to 6 percent of the Muslim population of Germany. The number is alarmingly high because a similar study a year ago showed that just 32.000, slightly more than 1 percent, were radical islamists representing a potential security threat.
Interior Minister Wolfgang Schäuble says in a foreword that the study leads to the ”worrying conclusion that a serious potential for Islamist radicalization has developed in Germany”.
Christine Haderthauer, secretary general of the conservative the Christian Social Union, told Der Spiegel that her party ”has always warned against the dangers of parallel societies. Our fears have been confirmed in a shocking manner.”
The study was conducted by two researchers from the Institute of Criminology at the University of Hamburg. The authors interviewed 1,750 Muslims of whom around 40 percent were German citizens. Almost 40 percent of the respondents think that ”physical violence is justified as a reaction against the threat of the West’s threat to Islam”. The study doesn’t clarify what is meant by ”threat” and for what exactly the West should be hold accountable.
The survey found that more than half of the respondents felt themselves excluded from German society, and felt they were being treated as foreigners. the study has caused a big debate in Germany about the need for better integration.
Unfortunately the study doesn’t specify what the respondents mean by ”being treated as a foreigner”. My Russian born wife feels being treated as a foreigner every other day, but that does’t make her want to commit violence in the name of the Russian orthodox church. Or that she is supporting terrorist attacks on the West, when she feels that Russia is being mistreated by the West or has not been given a fair hearing.
People from the countryside who arrive in Copenhagen and start to speak in a heavy provincial accent also risk being treated as ”foreigners”. If it means discrimination it’s bad and should be fought in every possible way.
But sometimes treating people as foreigners also implies some kind of reluctance to engage them in debate or being very polite without challenging their views if they say something outrageous. That’s the multiculturalist way of integration, and it has obviously failed.
In fact, the publication of the Mohammed cartoons in Denmark was an act of inclusion and integration of Muslims into the Danish tradition of religious satire, though a majority of Muslims saw it differently. The cartoons send an important message to Muslims saying: We don’t expect more or less of you, we expect exactly the same of you as of everybody else, and that’s a full recogniction of your presence in society as equal citizens.
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Jeff Davis:I do not understand why anyone would be shocked at this report. Logic and reason tells us from events around the planet, violence and Islam go hand in hand. Why is it when a non Muslim says this people are offended, but when 180,000 Muslims say it we ignore it ?
Dec 28, 2007 - 12:06 am Al Ramy:Fate has its own ways. Could this have happened if the Germans did not go wild in the 30’s? This is the trade-off, Jews gone, Islamist in!
Dec 28, 2007 - 1:14 am Eric:These barbarians think the West is a threat to Islam? I think the millions of Muslims inside Europe are a threat to all Western civilization. The barbarians are literally inside the gate and the Eurocrats seem Hell bent on importing more of them despite the real threat they pose.
Dec 28, 2007 - 4:35 am Gabriel Bernal:DUH’
Dec 28, 2007 - 7:46 am L Raj:Tibetians are marginalised, Hindus and Jews are treated as foreigners the world over. They don’t react by being violent !
African in majority are poor, slum dwellers of Philippines are desperately poor, Thai living in boats are poor, Burmese are disadvantaged in everyway, yet, they are not violent. They don’t want to blow up people to alleviate their poverty and political isolation.
Its Islam and it philosophy of violence which makes muslims violent. They have enormous amount of money and resources to hand due to petro dollar, yet, they waste it on violence. They have access to education, yet, they waste that on maddrasas where only medieval ideology is taught.
They intentionally misuse their resources and opportunities. There is no excuse for killing innocents of the world. Indeed, muslims kill more muslims than non-muslims.
Who will admit that !!
Dec 28, 2007 - 5:22 pm Peter Schmidt:@ L Raj.
Thank you very much, needless to say more.
Dec 29, 2007 - 1:56 am Bill Bradley:Evidently, there is no hope for anyone who is not an Islamic jihadist.
Bring on the Mother Ship?
Dec 29, 2007 - 4:11 am Morton Doodslag:Should have been learned in Islam 101:
As for the definition of “threat”.
Muslims are so convinced about the wonderfulness of Islam, the inevitability of Islam, the superiority of Islam, that when they encounter we filthy “infidels”, we “kuffir”, we unclean unwashed unbelievers resisting their Islam, they consider this a great insult. This is sufficient for them to consider us and our sheer un-Islamic-ness a “threat”.
Their Islamic creed makes the sharpest and permanent distinction between Muslims and the rest. They are brothers ( yeah, right ), the “ummah,” we are “infidels”, the outsiders. They are of the House of Islam, the Dar ul Islam. We are of the Dur ul Harb, the House of War. Any resistance to da’wa, their Islamic proselytization, their Jihad to spread their vile faith, such resistance is not to be tolerated. Their Islam spells out three choices for the filthy “infidels”:
1. conversion to Islam,
2. subjugation under Islam,
3. death.
How shocking for these brainwashed Muslims to come to the west - to the completely un-Islamic West, how shocking to find the dirty kuffir resisting Islam! Not “respecting” Islam! Not giving Islam its proper superior due! How can this possibly be?! For from the cradle Muslims are taught that their precious Islam is the center of all things! Where do the dirty unbelievers get off not revering the wonderfulness of Islam? The completeness of Islam?! The perfection of Islam?!? Any who resist Islam are evil! Thus the findings in Germany, and anywhere where Muslims reach sufficient densities.
So, intrinsic to the hideous creed of Islam is the deliberate holding of the Muslims separate from any non-Muslim society, the mandate to spread their vile faith, and strict rules on the permanent solution (conversion, subjugation, death), for the world’s non-Muslims. Some culture! Some “religion!”
Had our moronic elites and politicians and academics served us properly, had they performed their duty and done their homework and learned about this violent blood drenched totalitarian antisocial “religion”, they never would have begun allowing millions of Muslims into the West. Now the Muslims are legion, and they’re beginning to enforce their sinister creed. But rather than confronting the deadly menace head on, our leaders are acting like ostriches, pretending of we say nice things to the Muslims, then they’ll be nice too.
It won’t work.
These deeply disturbing statistics will only get worse and worse the more entrenched the Mislims become. They have already successfully infiltrated every stratum of Western society, and their Islam will not change.
We have lost our minds, and are about to lose everything else because of Islam. Those 180,000 in Germany are only the pointy tip of the Muslim dagger. They exist because 3,000,000 Muslims stand behind them. They are all jihadists. Every one.
Dec 29, 2007 - 5:54 pm Bonnie Yelverton:Then why are most Muslims well assimilated in the American culture - in California at least?
Dec 31, 2007 - 4:37 am Morton Doodslag:Muslim women (even in skarves) go to school and university, work at McDonald’s, Starbucks and Macy’s. Have management jobs. That was not my experience in Denmark.
“why are most Muslims well assimilated into American culture?”
They aren’t.
As I mention above — it’s a question of density. Most respectable polls say Muslim population in the US totals about 2.5 million total ( despite the consistently inflated claims by Muslim front groups claiming 6-7-8 million). This represents less than 1% of the US population is Muslim at this point. This nation is huge, much larger geographically than Europe where Islamic densities reach well beyond 6-7% in a much tighter region. In many cities in Europe Muslim densitiy is well beyond 10-12%! When/if that happens here, watch out!
The often repeated claim that Muslims are “well integrated” in the US is a red herring, lie, a delusion, a canard. If we’re foolish enough to allow it, and Muslim densities approach that of Canada or Europe, just see how “well integrated” America’s Muslims become. That even goes for the meek well behaved seeming head scarf wearing girls. There is absolutely no way to infer where their sentiments lie. They certainly aren’t resisting the misogynistic trends of Islam, even here where one might presume they’re free to do so. And how much less resistance will Muslim communities show when their numbers swell here in America? Look to Paris or London or Brussels to find out. “Well integrated” doesn’t describe it in the slightest.
Dec 31, 2007 - 5:02 pm olad:muslims in the usa are not called names but still u feel there are some poeple who are not freindly.
in uk that is the place where muslims express their religion more freely then any other europian countries
Jan 2, 2008 - 11:56 pm